+1! I'd buy that for sure! Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
> On Oct 31, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > I could see in the day of limited capacity DVRs, hwether by tape\hard drive > size or by number of encoders, but with cheap SAS storage and cheap IP > cameras, not sure PTZ is really needed. If you want to control something, > maybe we need to incorporate a drone launcher into a camera system and feed > it's video in. ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:58:45 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras > > I've never seen a good case for PTZ. Why not just put up another camera for > less money? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >> On Oct 31, 2015 12:56 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >> UBNT is priced right and it does what I need. It was easy to install and >> has great features. The NVR is really slick. Yes, I would love PTZ or a >> way to mount it on PTZ but I don’t want to spend the money for that. I have >> tried the panasonic PTZ built into the camera, it is OK but the video >> quality left something to be desired. I love the tiny UBNT thing that is >> about the size of a small door knob. Talks to you via wifi and has audio. >> Only needs power and something to stick it to. >> >> From: Sorin Esanu >> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 10:51 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras >> >> I want a different camera because: >> - ubnt might not make it with the lens I want >> - ubnt might not make the camera I need. Having one "in the works" is a >> joke, not an answer to my potential problem >> - ubnt is not on this list >> http://www.onvif.org/About/AlphabeticalMemberList.aspx and that might be >> important as far as inter-operating with others (reasons: existing hardware >> on the premises, request from client). >> >> >> >> On 10/31/2015 4:09 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: >> I can read a license plate on any camera depending on the location and >> configuration. >> >> To say the UBNT product is not a professional product is both naive and >> simply an opinion. Just because you cannot use a third party product with it >> doesn't mean it's not a professional product. And I'll bet UBNT has a camera >> in the works with tilt, pan and zoom. >> >> UBNT was designed to be simple to install and quick to deploy. It was also >> designed to just work. Their cameras are by far the best cameras and NVR >> I've been able to find on the market. Nothing else I've found is as >> seamless. I don't know why you would want a 3rd party camera with it to be >> honest. Their cameras are really good. >> >> I'm not saying that UBNT is the best in every environment, but they are for >> most in my opinion. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Sorin Esanu <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It's something wrong with your setup, because I can read plates in the dark >> without any issue. >> We are not comparing apples with apples here. Hikvision is professional >> product (like many others on the market). Ubnt is not. Can you install a 3rd >> party PTZ/Speeddome camera on Ubnt system if needed? I am talking here about >> _integrating_ it with the Ubnt software. >> >> >> On 10/30/2015 11:47 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> It didn’t do the seamless NVR like UBNT. For a single stand alone it was OK >> but it still cannot see a truck license plate in the dark. >> >> From: TJ Trout >> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 3:44 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras >> >> Ubnt stuff is unreliable. What didn't you like about the Hikvision? Probably >> just a setting, stuff is flawless >> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> You should take a look at the new UBNT stuff. I also tried Hikvision >>> recently and I like the UBNT stuff better. >>> >>> From: TJ Trout >>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:42 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras >>> >>> I've been doing professional cctv contracting for 10 years and I've never >>> been more impressed with a product's price/performance than Hikvision >>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Or I can blame them for wasting my time and taking my money when they >>>> clearly had nothing worth selling. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/30/2015 2:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>> Like if you want to compare helicopters to potatoes. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>>> On Oct 30, 2015 1:59 PM, "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Sure I can. >>>>> >>>>> On 10/30/2015 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> You can't blame a vendor for a crappy product if they're replaced it with >>>>> a product that isn't crappy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: "Sorin Esanu" mailto:[email protected] >>>>> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:48:57 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras >>>>> >>>>> Please compare the specs and see what they can do and cannot do. >>>>> >>>>> As far as how it compares with Ubnt, I've tested as some point the unifi >>>>> video cameras and they were pretty bad as far as quality, lacking some >>>>> basic features (IR filter). It seemed to me like a beta product that >>>>> should have never be release to the public. As I understand they refined >>>>> it, but still, Hikvision is big, with a lot of experience in making just >>>>> video surveillance products. Even so, our Hikvision fleet serves us well >>>>> and I would not go with Ubnt. >>>>> >>>>> There is also the issue with interoperability: Hikvision cameras are >>>>> supported on countless surveillance software and hardware (NVRs); >>>>> Hikvision NVRs are supporting countless other cameras (other >>>>> manufacturers) and even ONVIF and RTSP. That gives you the possibility >>>>> to install a 3rd party product, in case you need it. I don't know if you >>>>> can say that about Ubnt. Is that important? Well... if you have 1-2 >>>>> cameras, probably no. When you go to larger projects, absolutely. Access >>>>> control system that interconnect with video surveillance, professional >>>>> analytics software, ONVIF support... >>>>> >>>>> I like Ubnt as far as radios, but that's where it stops for me. >>>>> >>>>> On 10/30/2015 6:33 PM, Tushar Patel wrote: >>>>> > I am new to this so I have question, when you say following: >>>>> > >>>>> >> + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 3Mpx >>>>> > What does it mean to us? >>>>> > >>>>> > To me any camera with good quality where you can see faces and/or >>>>> > license plate and record it or send via email etc. >>>>> > >>>>> > So what does the mentioned camera does more which grandstream and/or >>>>> > ubnt does not? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > >>>>> > Tushar >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sorin Esanu >>>>> > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:30 AM >>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras >>>>> > >>>>> > Hikvision DS-2CD2632F-I(S) or DS-2CD2732F-I(S) >>>>> > + cheap >>>>> > + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 3Mpx >>>>> > + varifocal on board microSD for recording (you do not need NVR!) very >>>>> > + good video quality IR included, pretty efective for distances up to >>>>> > + 10m (their marketing >>>>> > says 30m. BS!) >>>>> > + app for mobile, tablet, pc. I can be used for live view or search >>>>> > recordings on SD camera >>>>> > + POE & 12VDC >>>>> > >>>>> > - DWDR, but I guess you cannot ask for true WDR in a 200$ camera >>>>> > >>>>> > It's basically one of the cheapest true surveillance cameras you can >>>>> > get for ~$200. You can get them even cheaper than that, if you get >>>>> > quantity. >>>>> > They are also selling very nice NVRs, with decent prices, that can work >>>>> > flawless with their cameras. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On 10/30/2015 3:05 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>> >> I am constructing a new building and I need a security camera system >>>>> >> which has DVR functionality and be remotely reachable, preferably via >>>>> >> mobile. I have had the cheap QSee Sams system and although functional >>>>> >> it is a pretty big disappointment from most perspectives. >>>>> >> I know a lot of people use and install these. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Are there any suggestions for systems? >
