Yeah I'm going to let the lawyers sort that out.  That link was to New 
Zealand's copy.  Each country has a few changes to the agreement.  But for the 
most part it is harmonized to force ISP's to comply to any copyright claim.  

It means we in most cases won't be liable.  But we have to turn over records or 
inform customers. 

What does that mean?  It means that any tom dick and harry can start sending 
letters to us and we have to reply to them and forward to the customer the 
complaint.  I already received hundred of automated requests per week. Now I 
need to come up with an automated process to forward them.  I have to shame our 
customers and tell them to refrain from their actions.  So it is up to us now 
to be the police and to notify customers.  

Its just a boat load of new work we have to do just because someone is 
"claiming" something.  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:55:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Here we go - TPP Full Text Released

That's not how I read the text you cited.

It seems to say each country will have a legal process for copyright holders 
to obtain this information.  Currently the US has the DMCA plus copyright 
holders can obtain a court order.  I don't see where that would have to 
change.  I am not a lawyer, but even if I am interpreting this wrong, where 
is the enforceability?  Congress would have to feel compelled to pass more 
restrictive laws to abide by this vague language in a treaty they don't like 
anyway.  Unless/until US laws are changed, I don't see how this applies to 
us.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AFMUG] Here we go - TPP Full Text Released

We are now the internet police.


http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Treaties-and-International-Law/01-Treaties-for-which-NZ-is-Depositary/0-Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Text.php

Internet service providers must give your name if requested by copyright 
holders:

"Each Party shall provide procedures... that enable a copyright owner that 
has made a legally sufficient claim of copyright infringement to obtain 
expeditiously from an Internet Service Provider information in the provider’s 
possession identifying the alleged infringer, in cases in which that 
information is sought for the purpose of protecting or enforcing that 
copyright."

ISPs must move quickly to remove material with a copyright claim against it:

"  these conditions shall include a requirement for Internet Service 
Providers to expeditiously remove or disable access to material residing on 
their networks or systems upon obtaining actual knowledge of the copyright 
infringement"


"An Internet Service Provider that removes or disables access to material in 
good faith under subparagraph (a) shall be exempt from any liability for 
having done so, "

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