Hi Nate,

When an SM is really close in distance to a tower, the RSSI of course is very 
strong.  However, the SM when too close falls below the azimuth antenna pattern 
because it is below the elevation antenna pattern.  Therefore, the gain is 
greatly reduced.  The backside AP as a result now has an antenna gain similar 
to the front side antenna.  Therefore, the front to back ratio is very small 
and the SM will see both APs at a similar high RSSI.

On AP -> Configuration -> Radio -> Access Point Configuration -> Frequency 
Reuse there is a setting of Off, Front Sector, and Back Sector.  You want to 
make sure that the settings of the two APs is different with one being Front 
Sector and the other being Back Sector.  This causes an offset of the start of 
each frame between the sectors.  If this is not set such as both are Off or 
both are the same setting, then the frames will transmit at the same time.  
This could cause the back side AP GPF (GPFs are the first packet in each 5 msec 
and 2.5 msec frame) to be heard right before or at the same time as the 
intended AP GPF and thus the GPF is lost because you are listening to the wrong 
GPF first or at the same time causing too much interference and loss of the GPF.

If the settings are correct, then one AP will always transmit in front of the 
other (I cannot remember which is first).  If in your case the back side AP 
transmits first, then the SM could lock onto this GPF first and then miss the 
correct GPF.  In release 2.4.3 we made an improvement to ignore packets that 
are a certain dB less than previous packets have been received at so the back 
side GPF is ignored in a case like you described.  But, if the RSSI level 
between the two APs is too close, then this will not help.  If you are on a 
release older than 2.4.3, then you should upgrade to at least 2.4.3.

So the answer to your question is it too close and too strong is you are 
probably correct, but perhaps the SM in question can be helped with these 
suggestions of correct settings and software version.

Daniel Sullivan
ePMP Software Manager

-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:28 PM
To: Animal Farm <[email protected]>
Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP De-registering from being too strong?

I have an EPMP SM that is close to the tower, it see's the AP Facing it at -36, 
it keeps jumping off of that AP, and linking into one of the other sectors at 
-60.  The SM reports "SM deregistered - No GPFs from AP. Check signal level and 
interference on channel."  Other SM's stay associated to the AP.  Is it just 
because it's too close and too strong?

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