I can personally attest that our bench deployment took nearly 4 months for their support department to even help with configuration. I finally sat down and played with it until I got a working configuration. To this day, they still have not closed the ticket...
Their support is one of the worst I have seen... The equipment seems very stable on the other hand, just don't want to count on production support from them. Eric Rogers PDS Connect www.pdsconnect.me (317) 831-3000 x200 -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:07 PM To: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active or GPon? Paul, What's wrong with zhone? Running 1800+ GPON customers on them with no issues. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:[email protected] Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html ------ Saturday, February 13, 2016, 3:01:09 PM, you wrote: PS> That assumes you want to work on Zhone gear Lￜ why not PS> Calix/Adtran etc?ￜ Personally I much prefer Calix for that kind of PS> stuffￜ PS> ￜ PS> Paul PS> ￜ PS> ￜ PS> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman PS> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 8:14 AM PS> To: [email protected] PS> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active or GPon? PS> ￜ PS> What about somebody like Zhone? Last time I evaluated them they had PS> a "pizza box" GPON you could get into pretty cheap yet they still PS> had all the components you could want from the OLT to ONT to a PS> pretty inexpensive TR069 management SW platform. Making good money PS> in this business always seems to be about reducing truck rolls. AE PS> doesn't provide that much info end to end while GPON and TR069 seem PS> to be able to drown you in whatever you want to see.ￜ PS> Like others have said, to me it is the cabinets spread over PS> everywhere that really turns me off. Negotiating, paying for, and PS> maintaining all those spaces just makes my head hurt. I don't know PS> what the possibility to turn 110 homes into something more are. If PS> designed right you could always migrate it to GPON to fold it into a PS> unified management system. The numbers we looked at the ONT cost PS> savings started to catch up with active around 75 users I think. PS> ￜ PS> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 6:28 AM Chris Fabien <[email protected]> wrote: PS> Josh, PS> I don't think anyone is disputing that gpon is the right solution PS> for an isp with 1000s or millions of users. But Andreas asked about PS> 110. PS> That size of project is something I think a lot of WISP are likely PS> to be working on. Our fiber network is currently several projects of PS> that size - 50 to 200 homes within a few miles of a powered cabinet PS> in a remote area. Active was the cheapest way for me to do that and PS> supports 1gig to each home. PS> Power for a 20u cabinet ( 288 ports in our design) will be about PS> $30/mo when fully loaded. And just 2 strands back to our NOC instead PS> of 9 with PON which is very significant if you happen to be leasing PS> those strands, which we are in one case. PS> On Feb 13, 2016 4:48 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote: PS> Eric it doesn't matter. That's 1024 strands, 1024 SFPs, more power PS> usage, more cooling, in multiple bigass cabinets. PS> Does. Not. Scale. PS> You take that into a dense suburb and that's what you end up with. PS> This is precisely why every decent ISP of size is deploying GPON and PS> not "active" fiber. The costs to get up _and_ maintain active is PS> several magnitudes higher. Let's say you were comcast and you were PS> rolling this out to your 22 million users on active. That's 22 PS> million SFPs, 22 million ports, an asston of strands, huge cabinets, PS> large batteries that have to get changed out every few years, HVAC, etc. PS> Even on a relatively common GPON deployment (32 way), you're talking PS> about a 32x reduction in port count, sfps, strands to pops, etc. PS> from 22million ports to 687k. That's nothing to sneeze at. PS> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 3:24 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> wrote: >> That's assuming all 1024 active ports are in one central location and >> not distributed around, like 96 ports in one place, accomplished with >> a pair of 48-port 1u switches (fed on a 10Gbps ring) accompanied by a >> beefy UPS, in a weatherproof ventilated 16U cabinet. >> >> Multiply by location of several network nodes each with anywhere from >> 1 to 6 1U switches. >> >> On Feb 12, 2016 7:47 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> If you're doing a super small project, no more than a hundred or two >>> hundred customers in an area, then it can make sense. There comes to >>> be a point where the port cost of active does NOT scale. >>> >>> 1024 subs on GPON with a modest 32 way split is done with 32 GPON >>> SFPs, 32 ports, 32 way split per GPON SFP. 2 line cards in a 2U >>> chassis. >>> >>> On active, that's 1024 active ports and SFPs. That's insane. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Chris Fabien <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > I am also a proponentￜ of active. Especially for small projects >>> > like this. >>> > Very low cost of entry. >>> > >>> > We looked at gpon including Alphion and ended up with still >>> > needing all the strands home run to the cabinet to fully load up >>> > each PON or we ended up with a bunch of money wasted on PONs that >>> > would never be fully utilized if we did splitting closer to the >>> > customer. >>> > >>> > On Feb 12, 2016 10:30 PM, "Andreas Wiatowski" >>> > <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> So,ￜ I understand the benefits of GPon ... What brand would you >>> >> consider? >>> >> ... I have been looking at Alphion. Huawei seems like a good option... >>> >> But >>> >> much more expensive. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> >>> >> ______________________________ >>> >> >>> >> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO >>> >> >>> >> Silo Wireless Inc. >>> >> >>> >> Emailￜ [email protected] >>> >> >>> >> 19 Sage Court >>> >> >>> >> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) >>> >> >>> >> Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free >>> >> +1.866.727.4138 >>> >> >>> >> -------- Original message -------- >>> >> From: Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>> >> Date: 2016-02-12 10:21 PM (GMT-05:00) >>> >> To: [email protected] >>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active or GPon? >>> >> >>> >> You realize the transport core to the gpon OLT chassis is still >>> >> active fiber in many designs, right? I also am unsure if you are >>> >> aware of the upgrade process to NG-PON2 - you can run it on the >>> >> same fiber strand as your existing PON split. Add the new card >>> >> into the chassis and move the split over to the new SFP. Upgrade >>> >> the customers at your leisure. >>> >> >>> >> On Feb 12, 2016 9:13 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Key part there is, is going to be...ￜ is it available or shipping now? >>> >>> If somebody wants to start a build now, the choice is between >>> >>> GPON or active. >>> >>> >>> >>> Having an active fiber path, even with just one strand (for BiDi >>> >>> optics) >>> >>> gives you a nearly infinite lifespan of the installed light path >>> >>> and cable plant, if things are maintained correctly. With a >>> >>> dedicated light path from each powered network node to the >>> >>> customer you could upgrade to active-E 10, then 40, then 100Gbps >>> >>> someday.ￜ Yes we will see customers with 10GbE optics in the >>> >>> next ten years. And maybe in 20 or 30 years from now it'll be >>> >>> cheap and easy to connect each customer with an SFP-sized >>> >>> coherent QPSK 100GbE optic at each end. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Josh Reynolds >>> >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 10-40Gbps on NG-PON2 is going to be the real deal, and betting >>> >>>> against it vs active ethernet at scale for residential service >>> >>>> is just... >>> >>>> dumb, to be honest (IMO). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The size of your backbone ends up being monstrous with active, >>> >>>> as well as having to keep the cabinets powered, UPS+batteries, >>> >>>> enclosurers maintained, etc. PON is simply so much cheaper are >>> >>>> scale, and in residential every dollar counts. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Eric Kuhnke >>> >>>> <[email protected]> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> > I did forget to mention that I'm firmly on the side of >>> >>>> > activeE being the best choice, for one big reason...ￜ You >>> >>>> > can use all kinds of SFP-based equipment (24/48-port 1U >>> >>>> > switches) or chassis based switches and routers with >>> >>>> > 24/48-port blades from a huge variety of manufacturers. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > There's a lot of 48-port SFP stuff out there on the >>> >>>> > grey/refurb/used market that came out of datacenters, and no >>> >>>> > longer meets the bandwidth needs for people who are doing >>> >>>> > 10GbE (or 2x10GbE) to each bare metal hypervisor. >>> >>>> > But >>> >>>> > that same equipment is perfect for activeE. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Same idea as a Cisco 3750G-48 is no longer enough bandwidth >>> >>>> > for 1000BaseT to the server in colo environments, but is >>> >>>> > perfect for MDU use. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > GPON/EPON/whateverPON is all a mess of manufacturer >>> >>>> > proprietary CPEs and non-interoperable stuff. Whereas with >>> >>>> > activeE and a real ethernet port for each customer you can >>> >>>> > use $30 media converters as your demarc. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Andreas Wiatowski >>> >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Hi all, >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Looking to do my first ftth for about 110 homes. >>> >>>> >> If I do active,ￜ what switch platform would you use for >>> >>>> >> sfp in cabinet and in home router/cabinet. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> If GPon,ￜ what vendor would you choose that is cost >>> >>>> >> effective/reliable >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> I understand the full limitations of GPon.. But I feel it is >>> >>>> >> an attractive proposition compared to active... And the few >>> >>>> >> systems I have seen have a road map to faster olt access. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Cheers, >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> ______________________________ >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Silo Wireless Inc. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Emailￜ [email protected] >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> 19 Sage Court >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll >>> >>>> >> Free >>> >>>> >> +1.866.727.4138 >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
