Every government action has unintended consequences. The fact that they have to be in-acted for a general problem with general solutions means that they fit only a small portion of the situations with any appropriateness. Everyone else just gets jammed through the same hole as the few that are the peg.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 9:35 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > That's a tough one. > > On one hand, with the government already giving out welfare checks that > could help with labor costs on small and medium farms - work the farm, get > a check. So, what's to encourage a farmer to pay more than minimum wage > (discouraging potential applicants internationally) if he can just tell the > Fed "send me workers". > > I also personally know cases of very good high level workers in various > industries who had problems for over a year finding a job - but once they > finally did after hundreds of applications, they were back to making six > figures or higher. It's hard to work somewhere for 20 years or more and > retire there unless in government or state work. > > Decent idea, but it would need some controls in place so it doesn't cause > inadvertent issues. > > +1 > On Mar 13, 2016 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I got to thinking about the labor issue with the farms. I’m having a >> hard time understanding how we can have tens of millions of people on >> government assistance and we can’t find farm workers. I’d like to make >> working on farms or other businesses being a requirement for a welfare >> check. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:09 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 >> >> >> >> Some are here for jobs, some are here to escape massive corruption and >> drug cartels. These are jobs that most American's don't want to do - either >> the work is "too hard" or pay "too low" - which really the latter is true. >> I came from a farm community (Kentucky Tobacco) and have seen how hard they >> work. Many have two or three jobs, and they share a trailer and a truck. >> They take shifts sleeping on the available beds, and send most of their >> checks home to their families to take care of them. Some save to bring >> their families here. Very few of these workers were paid minimum wage, but >> they were often given a trailer to stay in (for the group). Rows and rows >> of trailers per farm. >> >> You deport these guys, American agriculture will suffer. The farm >> subsidies get sucked up by the conglomerates, and the regular guys get very >> little. >> >> The drug demand has nothing to do with illegal or legal. Have you ever >> done any drugs? Ever? My guess is no, but I've been wrong before - ask my >> wife! Drugs are an escape, a booster, and the harder ones are ruthlessly >> addictive, both physically and psychologically. Just once or twice is >> enough to make it very difficult if not impossible to overcome by yourself, >> if ever. And they are SO CHEAP (meth, heroin). >> > On Mar 13, 2016 8:49 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Really, you think we would have massive illegal immigration if we had no >> jobs being offered then? >> You also believe that if nobody demanded drugs there would be people >> killing each other to get it here? >> We can disagree on if punishing a drug user is either right it would make >> any difference on then wanting the drug. But you surely cannot argue that >> it is demand that drives the supply, not the other way around. >> My point is just that the demand for cheap labor and the willingness to >> break the law to get it drives illegal immigration. I think you are letting >> your desire for penalty fee drug use get in the way of your judgement. >> OK, I made that last part up but you really don't understand the basics >> of supply and demand? >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 8:08 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> agreed >> >> Legal or illegal, has nothing to do with drugs. If people want to do >> something they will. >> >> On Mar 13, 2016 7:28 PM, "Jerry Head" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> " Kind of like the drug problem. As long as you don't penalize the user >> you get increasing demand." >> >> This has got to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen on >> this list. >> Wow.... >> >> On 3/13/2016 6:35 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >> >> I agree with that. Kind of like the drug problem. As long as you don't >> penalize the user you get increasing demand. If you don't punish the >> employer you get increasing demand. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 2:56 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Far less than many believe.... you need documentation which of course can >> be faked...but percentage wise more welfare in southern states. Most >> undocumented workers fend for themselves holding two or three shit jobs no >> one wants. See who is working on highways late at night or in hot sun in >> Texas...a white foreman and ton of Hispanics.... I have travelled just >> about every rode in Texas.... go to Chile harvests in Hatch,NM. Like I >> said..no demand, no supply.... simple Adam Smith theory in action. >> >> On Mar 13, 2016 1:06 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Immigration should have been unfettered in 1893 because there was no >> welfare state in existence then. The combination of unrestricted >> immigration and a comprehensive welfare system has the potential to >> bankrupt the U.S. I have no idea if immigrants make up a larger part of the >> welfare system than any other, just that the potential is there. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 11:35 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>
