Science is true whether or not you believe in it. On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:34 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> I used to believe like you. During my teen years, having lots of fun with > the opposite sex, I figured abortion was a handy solution to a problem if > it cropped up. > > Then I got married. My wife got pregnant. We went to the first > ultrasound. > I saw my daughter as the miniature human she was. Stretching her arms and > sucking her tumb. All as 16 week. > > Then I saw the light... > > -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan > > Sorry CORRECTION, **birth** not conception. > > I'm feeling groggy from the time shift, and have not had enough coffee. > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Upon natural or medically induced conception. Until then it is an >> organism that receives sustenance from the mother's body, thus is part >> of the mother - and her decision. You don't have to agree with me, and >> that's fine, but you shouldn't force legislation preventing people >> from making decisions about their bodies and their children. That's >> for them to decide, and they have to live with the choices they make. >> >> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> So at what age should state sanctioned murder be stopped, or is all just >>> up >>> to the individual and their "belief"? >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2016 1:13 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> No, I want to go back to persecution. It is persecution because you >>>> would >>>> be trying to carry out the wishes of the boss as you understand them. >>>> Not >>>> necessarily as I see those wishes. Therefore by supporting legislation >>>> that >>>> affects the population as a whole, you are imposing your beliefs upon >>>> me, >>>> against my will. I may have the equally valid belief that the boss >>>> upstairs >>>> wants us all to accept guidance, but ultimately make decisions for >>>> ourselves >>>> (and of course take responsibility for those decisions). Someone with >>>> such >>>> beliefs would only support legislation that would make decisions such as >>>> birth control, abortion, etc. completely up to each individual, her >>>> conscience, and her relationship with the boss. >>>> >>>> ~sigh~ I swore I would never get involved in a political or religious >>>> discussion. My apologies. >>>> >>>> On 03/13/2016 09:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> >>>> Nevermind the persecution thing, I didn’t fully read your post properly. >>>> >>>> From: Chuck McCown >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:50 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>> >>>> If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky that created all of >>>> us >>>> hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop that via legislation. >>>> How is that persecution? Just trying to carry out the wishes of the >>>> boss. >>>> He has promised me a pretty nice apartment if I give it a good try. >>>> >>>> Persecution? >>>> >>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>> >>>> >>>> So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others via legislation, >>>> in >>>> a country created to escape persecution from religion? >>>> >>>> On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care, >>>>> contraception, or abortion. >>>>> >>>>> If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc. >>>>> >Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed >>>>> >above). >>>>> >>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has communicated its >>>>> >> wishes with man. >>>>> >>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine of >>>>> >>> churches or bodies of scripture. >>>>> >>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man. >>>>> The church needs to be involved in all facets of life. If you believe >>>>> the above. >>>>> >>>>> You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person should >>>>> hedge >>>>> their bets against actually not knowing that they are totally right >>>>> about >>>>> that. Could be that every time you eat spaghetti you are committing a >>>>> mortal sin. Could be. >>>>> >>>>> For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity and >>>>> do >>>>> my thing, while you do your thing. >>>>> But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider mortal >>>>> sins, I will try. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care, >>>>> contraception, or abortion? >>>>> >>>>> Those are medical issues. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected] >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on >>>>>> every >>>>>> corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable. >>>>>> >>>>>> My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Ken Hohhof >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>> What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually >>>>>> upset about is they offer birth control. Some people obsess about >>>>>> poor >>>>>> people having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant. See >>>>>> this if >>>>>> you forgot: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy >>>>>> >>>>>> I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also >>>>>> extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies = less >>>>>> abortions. >>>>>> Which is the lesser evil? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, especially >>>>>> “other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors #getalife >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know a handful of >>>>>>> gay >>>>>>> people. Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any right >>>>>>> telling >>>>>>> them what they can or can't do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm not >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> sure on that. When I was growing up there were few gay couples who >>>>>>> had >>>>>>> "come out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name than >>>>>>> her >>>>>>> mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a bit different now but it >>>>>>> could still >>>>>>> screw with a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to >>>>>>> hell in this country. But then again, so many "traditional" things >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> gone to hell. How many women stay at home and take care of the >>>>>>> family while >>>>>>> dad goes to work? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The videos pretty >>>>>>> much >>>>>>> got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund it. There are plenty of >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> non-government-funded entities who can do that work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any tax is bad :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> His stances: >>>>>>> Gay marriage is wrong >>>>>>> He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple >>>>>>> Defund planned parenthood >>>>>>> Raising corporate tax is bad >>>>>>> Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles. >>>>>>> Wants to drill in ANWR >>>>>>> Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy. >>>>>>> Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees. >>>>>>> Votes for PATRIOT act over and over >>>>>>> Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us citizens >>>>>>> Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child >>>>>>> healthcare >>>>>>> "Let's build a fence!" >>>>>>> Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received >>>>>>> hospital treatment >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man crush. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed. >>>>>>>> There >>>>>>>> were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the budget. >>>>>>>> Seemed >>>>>>>> like the same old voodoo economics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin? At least Putin is >>>>>>>> supposedly an 8th degree black belt. He would probably take care >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> protester himself. If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the >>>>>>>> world, >>>>>>>> I’m not so sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. >>>>>>>> Hell, >>>>>>>> Bernie could probably take him. I was never fond of Nixon, but the >>>>>>>> photo of >>>>>>>> the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he appeared >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the national stage. Very impressed with him. Could almost call >>>>>>>> him my "man >>>>>>>> crush". I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about >>>>>>>> him Ken. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Ken Hohhof >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>>>>>> AfterChicago Violence >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with >>>>>>>> them, I'm >>>>>>>> not convinced it's about left or right. If I had to single out one >>>>>>>> person >>>>>>>> as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it would >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>>> McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about >>>>>>>> their own >>>>>>>> power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> I like >>>>>>>> what he has said since being elected Speaker. I would like to see >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> are just words, or if he would translate them into actions. I don't >>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>> we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered him >>>>>>>> irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with >>>>>>>> someone >>>>>>>> actually interested in governing. I wonder what conservative goals >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>> have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to make >>>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>>> fail no matter how much damage it causes. Tort reform? >>>>>>>> Modifications >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform? Immigration reform? >>>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>>> doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch. That's the problem with the >>>>>>>> establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and >>>>>>>> staying in >>>>>>>> power, they don't even pretend to do their job. And let me be >>>>>>>> clear, >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just >>>>>>>> McConnell is >>>>>>>> the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I >>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>> he is >>>>>>>> giving me the finger. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, but >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> think we'll find out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Bill Prince >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>> Chicago Violence >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the >>>>>>>> right. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>>>>> > Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. > >>>>>>>> Everybody's >>>>>>>> > idea >>>>>>>> > of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a >>>>>>>> > deal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> !DSPAM:2,56e643e613941725215664! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >
