If they're wanting a layer2 tunnel, vpls it up. If they're wanting a layer3 ptmp/etree/eline/elan design (which is a much better solution anyway), why not just VRF it?
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> wrote: > The small MTU immediately removes it from contention for certain > small/medium business last mile connections (sites that are too small for > their own PTP link, but more valuable in $$$/mo than a residential user). > This is because 1480 makes it impossible to do MPLS. > > There are all kinds of things that could require an EoMPLS tunnel such as a > centralized wifi captive portal system, or branch offices of the same small > government entity in a county (ex: Libraries, schools, whatever). > > Radio systems functioning as layer 2 bridges need to support 1600 byte MTU. > That's pretty much standard for all equipment these days. Even ubnt got > their act together and fixed the MTU issue, I believe it used to be not > larger than 1500 on the very earliest series of AirMax/N radios. Issue has > been fixed for a few years now. > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> RSRP is how LTE systems measure signal. I don't believe it's an >> intentional skewing on Telrad's part, but I'm sure it leads to plenty of >> misunderstandings. >> >> My experience over time has been that every vendor says their stuff works >> NLOS. They can say that because they all DO work NLOS depending on how >> strictly you define "working". I do believe that Telrad LTE works better >> than average at NLOS, but yeah I don't believe it would work everywhere, and >> I hope nobody believes that it makes extra signal power appear out of >> nowhere simply by being LTE. >> >> I'm actually more worried about...well...everything else. There's so much >> focus on their NLOS claims that I think it has drowned out other discussion >> on the product. For example: >> >> Is anyone else bothered that there is no documentation? >> Is anyone else bothered that the Gemtek CPE provides no status or control >> of the ethernet port? >> Has anyone else had the CPE lose configuration values after a firmware >> update (like the Wimax channel scan table and radius username, which you >> can't fix without a damn truckroll)? >> Has anyone else had to RMA BTS's that weren't particularly old? I had >> two with RH alarms that were each less than a year old. One with a corrupt >> file system after 3 days in the field. >> Has anyone had success using the ACS for automatic firmware updates of >> CPE? Ours download the firmware, then lose contact with the server until >> they're rebooted (through the web GUI, or power plug). After a reboot they >> do have the new firmware version, but it's no help if I have to touch them >> all. >> Anyone had tech support issues? They've closed our ticket about the ACS >> issue TWICE. Both times saying, "Oh sorry, we thought that was working >> now." This has been an ongoing investigation since September by the way. >> Is anyone else troubled by the small MTU (max is 1480 I think)? >> >> I have tons of other complaints that are specific to the wimax firmware. >> Are we so impressed by NLOS that we don't need to discuss whether it's good >> at anything else? >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/16/2016 3:01 PM, John Woodfield wrote: >> >> If you expect LTE 3ghz to be the silver NLOS bullet it is not. >> >> >> >> Putting speeds aside for the moment. Lets just talk signal. Same tower, >> same height Telrad 3ghz LTE with the Alpha dual-slant sector within 1db >> signal as 2.4 NBM2 on a UBNT 10db omni. >> >> >> >> LTE does not change physics. The sales guys want you to believe that. It >> ain't so. >> >> >> >> So, if you can attain a -75 on a 2.4 omni on a tower it won't work worth >> anything. That same signal on LTE will rock. >> >> >> >> If you think it was have equal penetration to 900mhz and be a replacement >> for your old FSK system, you are sorely mistaken. >> >> >> >> Near line of site? Yes. >> >> >> >> We had a very specific application that Patrick said without question >> would work. When it didn't it was a bad antenna, then it was bad jumpers, >> then it was a bad compact, finally they flew someone in who argued with it >> for a day and at the end of the day? You can't argue with physics. >> >> >> >> The whole "watch it work at -110" is garbage too. They skewed the numbers >> by 30db. Yes, it will work at -80, will it work well? YMMV. >> >> >> >> In the end it was too expensive for the limited benefits we observed. They >> swear I'm the only one in the world it didn't work for in the same breath >> they swore it would work without any doubt. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> John Woodfield, President >> >> Delmarva WiFi Inc. >> >> 410-870-WiFi >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:46pm >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I need a valium >> >> Ditto. Hell, onlist would be fine too. I'm sure many of us would like to >> hear your experience. >> -Ty >> >> >> -Ty >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I would like to know your complaints as well, please. Thanks. (offlist >>> is fine) >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Adam Moffett >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I need a valium >>> If I may ask John, what were your complaints? >>> >>> >>> On 3/16/2016 10:17 AM, John Woodfield wrote: >>> >>> I wouldn't touch Telrad again if you paid me. That is a week of my life >>> I'll never get back. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> John Woodfield, President >>> >>> Delmarva WiFi Inc. >>> >>> 410-870-WiFi >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:14am >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [AFMUG] I need a valium >>> >>> Hate being a decision maker sometimes. >>> Love the cambium pmp450 roadmap. I know several people are using pmp450 >>> in 3.65 and it works. I also see now that a panel antenna is available >>> based on the 450i in 3.65 >>> I may have fallen in love with lte. Haven't seen the telrad talk yet. >>> Hear the new vendor does lte for roughly what we started our 900 network for >>> back in 2004. >>> Why would I choose lte over cambium ? >>> Would I? I think the cambium pmp450 (in 3.65) has a better >>> roadmap....one gig aps by like 2017..... >>> What if I choose the wrong product? >>> Convince me..... >>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone >>> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] 450M >>> Date: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 10:02 AM >>> >>> 450i is backwards compatible with 450 today. >>> >>> Jeff Broadwick >>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc. >>> 312-205-2519 Office >>> 574-220-7826 Cell >>> [email protected] >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Brian Sullivan <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Just like FSK? >>> >>> On 3/16/2016 7:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Backwards compatibility. >>> >>> With existing 450 >> >> >
