Re: [AFMUG] FAA Warns of GPS Outages on the West Coast Syncdropswarning

Wed, 08 Jun 2016 11:33:12 -0700

Chuck, did you seriously pull a 'hit the brakes and he'll fly right by' maneuver? 

On 6/8/2016 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

This was all about 1000 AGL too.
Not much of a cushion should that single engine on the F16 flame out due to super high angle of attack and super slow speed. 

-----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:20 PM
To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FAA Warns of GPS Outages on the West Coast 
Syncdropswarning


A jet jockey's nightmare...   But a really good target for gun
passes....   The thing you don't want to see them hanging out. Now an
f22 would have had fun "hanging" with you...

On 06/08/2016 11:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I was flying a 150 and got intercepted by a pair of F16s .... well they
tried to intercept me.

Once I figured out that they were unhappy (I ever so slightly trimmed
the corner off of a restricted area and I was in contact all along) I
decided to have fun.
Throttle back, nose up, full flaps, throttle up.   Dragging my butt
along about 40 mph.

They made multiple passes with everything hanging out but there was no
way they could do it.

-----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FAA Warns of GPS Outages on the West Coast
Syncdropswarning

Restricted vs. MOA's..   it's an interesting airspace mess to need to
fly around..   Lot's and Lot's of MOA's fewer restricted areas, and if
you are around either one you need to really do your homework. That
said the guys at Edwards are a great group of controllers always willing
to work with civilian traffic and, if the opportunity is there will let
you be an interception target, a witness to cool stuff ( think B2
refueling ), or just a bug on the wall when they can't talk about it but
can give you a visual vector...

On 06/08/2016 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

When you live near restricted areas, and you have a legit reason to be
flying around them, the military will give you a tactical call sign and
let you through if it is safe.

If the range is “hot” they will not let you in and you do not want 
to be

in.
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:35 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FAA Warns of GPS Outages on the West Coast
Syncdropswarning
"i usually try to steer clear of bombing ranges when I fly lol."


Im definetly no pilot, never even flown in a plane, but if I do ever 
fly

anywhere, I really would like to know this is a common attitude of most
pilots
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    i usually try to steer clear of bombing ranges when I fly lol.
    Last time i flew over the grand canyon tho I had 5 "bear cats"
    (that's how ATC was referring to them over the radio) T-38 jets fly
    straight towards me and break left at the last minute.  I heard ATC
    talking to them the whole time and ATC was warning me of traffic 12
    o'clock coming straight for me.  not much I could do except watch
    them go by since i was going 150kts and they were a bit faster

    haha.  it almost seemed a bit on purpose but who knows, i could 
only

    hear what ATC say saying to them, they were responding on another
    frequency.  made the last part of the trip a little less boring,
    after you cross the canyon it's pretty flat and desolate land for
miles.
    On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        If you fly in the blue restricted zones of the Wendover Bombing
        Range or the Utah Test and Training Range, you will notice when
        they are testing.  It is very effective.  Bad thing is it jams
        your central office BITS clocks too!
        *From:* Sean Heskett <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:22 AM
        *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FAA Warns of GPS Outages on the West
        Coast Sync dropswarning

        The FAA has been issuing NOTAMS like that for a while now.  
I've

        been in the air during a couple (live in CO and fly to SoCal a
        lot) and never noticed loss of GPS.  Looks like a reporter from
        gizmodo finally noticed this NOTAM and wrote about it.
        Shouldn't be a problem for any ground based GPS units.  And if
        you own a Phenom 300 then you can just blast up to 45,000ft to
        avoid the jamming ;)
        -Sean


        On Wednesday, June 8, 2016, timothy steele
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:

            Gizmodo: FAA Warns of GPS Outages This Month During
            Mysterious Tests on the West Coast.
            http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwjLfC_Co



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