Probably just the wrong third party? A conversation I was with at NANOG last week had a carrier and an optics third party. That carrier saves $80k/year over what they were previously doing (not sure if that was OEM or a different third party) with little to no failure from given third party. It's not the same third party, but FiberStore coded optics are $37/10GigE, while Cisco OEM lists for... $990? That's half the price of a FiberSore 100G CFP.
Not trying to say you're wrong, just that people need to evaluate their situation and make sure they're buying from the right vendor, regardless if OEM or third party. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stewart" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 5:45:10 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? Actually no …. Not always the case… So originally with 100G optics for example, we bought brand new at the time of equipment purchases – with discounts etc, the line item that said “optics” was “zero”. Obviously take that with a grain of salt … Then we went third party from two different vendors for 100G – disaster would not even come close to describing how that went. So back to authentic optics, which ended up being cheaper (and supported and all that other stuff). That was 100G … 10G optics we used several different third party optics for a period of time as well. Their failure rate was higher (we were replacing about 12-14 optics a month), and we ran into a few cases of compatibility (not many), and when we applied serious discounts we realized the joke was on us – we were paying considerably more for 3 rd party optics than we could just buy “authentics” for in the first place! Now our failure rate on 10G optics is less than 1 per month on average. Obviously, everyone factors in their costs, their time, their experience with 3 rd party vs authentic differently … but you can’t define it into 2 items that cover everyone. To answer your two points: #1 – not scammed at all. Decision that I made based on the factors above. #2 – we’re a small company (slightly over 500 employees) Paul From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: June 18, 2016 1:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before? "Authentic optics" are such a fucking scam. Every time I see somebody saying this, there's only two possible things that come to mind: (1) They don't realize how bad they are getting scammed And / Or (2) Massive company with stupid draconian policies where an employee is trying to cover their ass and it's not their money to worry about If it comes down to "the vendor won't support us because we're not using their optics", then keep a small stash of said vendor optics around just for those situations. If it's "we can't handle downtime", then the $individuals should probably turn in their "I design networks" card after cleaning out their desk - redundancy comes in many forms. On Jun 18, 2016 7:12 AM, "Paul Stewart" < [email protected] > wrote: Yes quite noticeably … although we buy nothing anymore but authentic optics, especially on 100G …. paying less than 25% of what we were paying two years ago on 100G optics <blockquote> On Jun 18, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Eric Kuhnke < [email protected] > wrote: I just checked the price for 100G optics (via four Chinese sources) and they have dropped in price SIGNIFICANTLY in the last 9 months. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Josh Reynolds < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Once upon a time, that was probably said about 10G links. Before then, about 1G links. Those 1G ports are expensive you know. On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Paul Stewart < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Had a demo of that platform a month or so ago .. wasn’t public obviously - pretty impressive but a lot jammed into a “small package” … tough sell for folks who need that kind of density, personal opinion is to keep things more “spread out” on 100G links reducing areas of risk, but I digress as that’s more design/resiliency related :) <blockquote> On Jun 16, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: Don't worry, no one has. First public pictures. https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/910364895755630 ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote>
