All in for a Huawei RTN-380 including brackets, antennas, software,
licensing, cables, accessories, etc. comes out between about $22k-30k per
link depending on which options you pick.

Also, if 4Gbps isn't good enough, there is the RTN-380H that does 10G
wireless.  The specs on this are insane.

   - 10Gbps throughput
   - 2000 Mhz channel spacing, 128QAM modulation
   - SFP+ interfaces


On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Joe Novak <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm talking 706 FT, give or take 6 inches
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Depends on your distance, if you're going 1 km vs. 2.5 to 4 km....
>>
>> It is definitely a VERY narrow beam width. Particularly with 60cm
>> antennas. I wouldn't do it on anything that sways.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 6:07 AM, Joe Novak <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> How stable of a structure do you need for 70/80Ghz? Self standing rohn
>>> 45 @ 55 ft too much? It's bracketed at 25ft.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What price range is a Huawei link in?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You cannot directly compare 11 to 80 GHz. Totally different market. I
>>>>> can't do beyond 2.5 km at real five to six nines uptime with 80 GHz (even
>>>>> with +18 Tx power radios).
>>>>>
>>>>> I can do 60 km with 11 if the link will tolerate some ACM.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 9, 2016 9:31 PM, "John Blake" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's obviously pricier than the B11, but if you want true symmetrical
>>>>>> and a ton of throughput, you could look at the Huawei RTN-380 radios.
>>>>>> These will do 4Gbps (2Gbps symmetrical) at full licensing, or there are 
>>>>>> 1,
>>>>>> 2, 3Gbps licensing options.  They use 71-76 GHz and 81-86 GHz and so are
>>>>>> super easy and cheap to get (lightly) licensed. These are very popular 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> carriers outside the US, but not so much in the US because of all the
>>>>>> Huawei/Ciscolobby disputes, but that has largely been resolved and they
>>>>>> have been getting traction here.  Let me know if you want more info, we 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> Huawei VAR.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gino,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That seems to be the only configuration that meets the requirement.
>>>>>>> The way I see it, in a traditional FDD system you would license an XPIC
>>>>>>> pair of frequencies, say 11075 H/V at point A and 11565 H/V at point B.
>>>>>>> Assuming an 820 running 256QAM you might get 500mbps per polarity per
>>>>>>> direction, for a two-way aggregate of 2gpbs.  You would have licensed
>>>>>>> 160MHz at each end of the system, for a system efficiency of 
>>>>>>> 2gbps/320MHz =
>>>>>>> 6 b/s/hz.
>>>>>>> If you operate a B11 on the same pair of frequencies, you have to
>>>>>>> use their FD mode which a typical PCN claims will deliver 736mbps.  It
>>>>>>> would seem that this can be viewed as a two-way aggregate rate, because 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> radios still take turns transmitting as in a true TDMA system.  So, the
>>>>>>> system efficiency here is 736mbps/320MHz = 2.3 b/s/hz -- below the
>>>>>>> requirement of 3 b/s/hz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you switch the B11 to the normal TDMA mode you will need to
>>>>>>> transmit on the same frequency from each end of the link.  So, in 
>>>>>>> addition
>>>>>>> to licensing 11075 H and V transmitting from point A, you also need to
>>>>>>> license 11075 H and V transmitting from point B, which adds another 
>>>>>>> 160MHz
>>>>>>> at each end. The PCNs show this configuration giving 1.47gbps (again
>>>>>>> assumed to be an aggregate figure due to the TDMA mode).  This is an
>>>>>>> efficiency of 1.47gbps/640MHz = 2.3 b/s/hz again.  However, because you
>>>>>>> have licensed two frequency pairs, each site can also transmit and 
>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>> on the unused 11565 H and V frequencies.  If you do this then you get
>>>>>>> 2*1.47gbps/640MHz = 4.6 b/s/hz.  This seems to be the only valid
>>>>>>> configuration, but does this take two radios at each end, or just one?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Black
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Black & Associates
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 727-773-9016
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11
>>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, August 3, 2016 3:38 pm
>>>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > but the radio tx in both channels in the both polarites in both
>>>>>>> ends ...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> No, it is just as spectrally efficient as any 256QAM radio... One
>>>>>>> 80 MHz
>>>>>>> >> "low" channel in both polarities and one 80 MHz "high" channel in
>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>> >> polarities, as a typical FDD band plan such as you would use with
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> >> configuration with 2 dishes, 2 orthomode transducers and 4 radio
>>>>>>> heads
>>>>>>> >> (each radio operating in a single polarity) in a 2+0
>>>>>>> configuration.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> You're arriving at the figure of 320 MHz by counting everything
>>>>>>> twice.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:28 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> We haven't had the pleasure of coordinating a B11 link yet, but
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> >>> certainly seem to be popular based upon the number of PCNs we are
>>>>>>> >>> seeing. So, a dumb question hopefully based upon a simple
>>>>>>> misunderstanding
>>>>>>> >>> of the numbers: I don't see how this meets the FCC minimum
>>>>>>> efficiency
>>>>>>> >>> standards for wide channels at 11GHz:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> 80MHz channels x H and V = 160MHz, but with high/low pairing you
>>>>>>> double
>>>>>>> >>> this? to 320MHz occupied per end? So, to meet the 3 b/s/hz
>>>>>>> requirement at
>>>>>>> >>> 11GHz your symmetrical throughput would need to be >= 960mbps.
>>>>>>> What am I
>>>>>>> >>> missing?
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Mike Black
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Black & Associates
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> 727-773-9016
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> From: "Jaime Fink" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> >>> Date: Tue, August 2, 2016 4:49 pm
>>>>>>> >>> To: "SmarterBroadband" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> > The PHY is 1733 Mbps aggregate, so depending on the chosen
>>>>>>> window
>>>>>>> >>> sizes, the top real world TCP speeds we’ve seen are between
>>>>>>> 1200-1300 Mbps
>>>>>>> >>> aggregate (75/25 or 50/50 mode), or 600-650 Mbps symmetric
>>>>>>> (50/50).
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> > For 11 GHz this assumes high/low pairing of 80 MHz and both
>>>>>>> >>> polarizations coordinated.
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> > Jaime Fink • Mimosa<http://www.mimosa.co> • CPO & Co-Founder
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> > On August 2, 2016 at 1:34:31 PM, SmarterBroadband (
>>>>>>> >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>)
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> > Can the B11 do 1Gbps Symmetrical?
>>>>>>> >>> > If not what is best Symmetrical?
>>>>>>> >>> > Thanks
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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