ads are the search engine... Gmail making money would be part of the
app sales...
On 08/11/2016 05:40 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Remember Gmail has ads
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On Aug 11, 2016 8:31 PM, "Robert Andrews" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Gmail just feeds the search engine.. Actual revenue from gmail...
not so much...
On 08/11/2016 03:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Google Apps is great but doesn't generate much money. Now Gmail
kind of
does but it's mostly the ad revenue (their premier product).
They've done decent things otherwise but I have a hard time
respecting a
company that just uses tons of money to build a network with the
intention of destroying other companies business.
Josh Luthman
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On Aug 11, 2016 6:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
You have a very naive viewpoint of what they have
accomplished. Look
at how successful many of their projects have been! Not all
will be
hits, but the ones that have done well have done VERY well.
They are also doing a lot of work with robotics, driverless
cards,
drone delivery, and a TON of medical research. Google "X"
(secret
projects / labs) will.
Many of their things have spun off into their own Alphabet
projects,
so that they require each one to fund themselves. Smart
business
strategy.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Josh Luthman
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
> Who is we? I think Google turned to a garbage
generator, look at
all the
> cancelled projects.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
<tel:937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
<tel:937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2016 6:24 PM, "Brian Webster"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>
>> Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber
projects, I
can tell you
>> there are a number of factors that caused them to take
pause on the
>> deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude
of pole
owners (read
>> competitors to their broadband deployment). This forced
a lot
more of the
>> project deigns to underground deployment. In cities
like San
Jose and San
>> Francisco, there were a lot of requirements that cost
more money
than Google
>> budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the
idea that
cities would
>> remove obstacles like that to get them in their city.
With so
much existing
>> broadband already in place, this is certainly not the
case. I
think Google
>> thought all cities were going to have the attitude like
they had
with the
>> first cities who applied for Google to come to their cities
(Like Kansas
>> City did).
>>
>> Google was also of the impression that they could
design and
permit their
>> networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy
based on
pre-sign ups
>> (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge
logistic
problem in
>> planning construction especially with underground
deployment.
This also
>> drove up costs.
>>
>> Google is still investigating the wireless options.
What you
will see from
>> them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy
up dark fiber,
>> capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber
systems
where they can.
>> They may use microwave to cross connect systems or
bridge high
construction
>> cost areas such as railroad crossings. They are looking at
wireless to
>> basically go more from the curb to the customer,
especially in
MDU cases.
>> Existing competition and/or existing contracts within
an MDU
makes it risky
>> to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of
a huge
take rate
>> within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a high
capacity short
>> hop last mile, but even then they will have challenges with
spectrum,
>> interference and capacity.
>>
>> While we all would think Google is a great company with
resources to do
>> whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have
seen a lot
from the
>> inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty
somethings
with ADD and
>> too much money. They also seem to have the attitude
that older
folks are too
>> far behind the times to possibly know what they are talking
about. Google is
>> certainly not a utility infrastructure company and lack the
people, tools
>> and skill sets to be one. They are their own best
cheerleaders
and they have
>> a dangerous habit of believing their own hype
internally and are
not real
>> good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input.
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
<http://www.wirelessmapping.com> <http://www.wirelessmapping.com
<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com
<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>
>> They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot
fit a
camel through
>> the eye of a needle.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>
>> So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so
smug with
your WISP.
>>
>> We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful
companies in the
>> world though. Do you really think they don't have some
of the
best RF
>> engineering talent in the world on their payroll?
>>
>> They're not doing anything different than many of us
have done,
which is
>> evaluate the business case for each technology and pick
the most
appropriate
>> one for the application. If it was going to cost you a
couple
hundred
>> thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing
the same
thing too.
>> It's the smart play.
>>
>> At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which
would mean
"saying
>> they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies".
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
>> >
>> > Wait until they experience ducting ;)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Bill Prince
>> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>> >
>> > It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground
fiber. At
least in
>> > San Jose.
>> >
>> > Anyone know anything about Webpass?
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> >
>> > On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> >
>> > Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as
alternative to
>> > fiber.
>> > Interesting times!
>> >
>> >
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del
<http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del>
<http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del
<http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del>>
>> >
ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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