We only fo FB mktg now too... as of today, the best bang for buck On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 1:11 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
> I wish you could teach me how to use FB for marketing. I finally stopped > paying google and bing and my sales have gone way up. Go figure. > > -----Original Message----- From: Travis Johnson > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20 years > (before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious. > > "Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are doing > fiber everywhere!" > "Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model... > let's look at wireless." > > I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources, and yet > they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I doubt > Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce > companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a dime with > Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it generates > $400k in sales, per month. > > Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared to > texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat. > These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is, that means > someone else can do the same thing. > > Travis > > > On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd company.. >> They look at the paper pile before the experience pile... & yes they will >> eventually go down because of it... >> >> On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote: >> >>> Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can tell >>> you there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause on the >>> deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole owners >>> (read competitors to their broadband deployment). This forced a lot more of >>> the project deigns to underground deployment. In cities like San Jose and >>> San Francisco, there were a lot of requirements that cost more money than >>> Google budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the idea that >>> cities would remove obstacles like that to get them in their city. With so >>> much existing broadband already in place, this is certainly not the case. I >>> think Google thought all cities were going to have the attitude like they >>> had with the first cities who applied for Google to come to their cities >>> (Like Kansas City did). >>> >>> Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit >>> their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on >>> pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge logistic >>> problem in planning construction especially with underground deployment. >>> This also drove up costs. >>> >>> Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will see >>> from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark fiber, >>> capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems where they >>> can. They may use microwave to cross connect systems or bridge high >>> construction cost areas such as railroad crossings. They are looking at >>> wireless to basically go more from the curb to the customer, especially in >>> MDU cases. Existing competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU >>> makes it risky to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a >>> huge take rate within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a high >>> capacity short hop last mile, but even then they will have challenges with >>> spectrum, interference and capacity. >>> >>> While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to do >>> whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot from the >>> inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty somethings with ADD and >>> too much money. They also seem to have the attitude that older folks are >>> too far behind the times to possibly know what they are talking about. >>> Google is certainly not a utility infrastructure company and lack the >>> people, tools and skill sets to be one. They are their own best >>> cheerleaders and they have a dangerous habit of believing their own hype >>> internally and are not real good at listening to fresh viewpoints and >>> outside input. >>> >>> Thank You, >>> Brian Webster >>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>> >>> They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel >>> through the eye of a needle. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Josh Reynolds >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>> >>> So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your WISP. >>> >>> We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in >>> the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the best RF >>> engineering talent in the world on their payroll? >>> >>> They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which is >>> evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most >>> appropriate one for the application. If it was going to cost you a couple >>> hundred thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing the same >>> thing too. It's the smart play. >>> >>> At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean "saying >>> they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies". >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Wait until they experience ducting ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Bill Prince >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>>> >>>> It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in >>>> San Jose. >>>> >>>> Anyone know anything about Webpass? >>>> >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: >>>> >>>> Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative to >>>> fiber. >>>> Interesting times! >>>> >>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del >>>> ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
