The kids are just on facebook so their parents think they have visibility into their social media. All the "bad" stuff happens elsewhere.
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure how accurate that is. My little cousins are on FB and they're > in their teens. They seem to use it quite a bit. They're into those mom > jeans I can't stand, so they're into some of the kids culture, at least. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Friday, August 12, 2016 11:53:16 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > None of the kids (including millennials) are on Facebook. Their moms are > on Facebook. But guess who makes the household purchase decisions? And > lest you think no millennials still live with their parents, guess again. > > > *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2016 11:02 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > Different market as in non-Facebook users. IE older generation. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Gino Villarini <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> actually, i beg to differ. FB gives you the tools to pinpoint his market >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You have a very small population to cater to... and most of them >>> probably don't use FB. LOL >>> >>> Travis >>> >>> >>> On 8/11/2016 11:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>>> I wish you could teach me how to use FB for marketing. I finally >>>> stopped paying google and bing and my sales have gone way up. Go figure. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Travis Johnson >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:50 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>>> >>>> So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20 years >>>> (before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious. >>>> >>>> "Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are doing >>>> fiber everywhere!" >>>> "Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model... >>>> let's look at wireless." >>>> >>>> I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources, and yet >>>> they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I doubt >>>> Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce >>>> companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a dime with >>>> Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it generates >>>> $400k in sales, per month. >>>> >>>> Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared to >>>> texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat. >>>> These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is, that means >>>> someone else can do the same thing. >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd >>>>> company.. They look at the paper pile before the experience pile... & yes >>>>> they will eventually go down because of it... >>>>> >>>>> On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can >>>>>> tell you there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause on >>>>>> the deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole >>>>>> owners >>>>>> (read competitors to their broadband deployment). This forced a lot more >>>>>> of >>>>>> the project deigns to underground deployment. In cities like San Jose and >>>>>> San Francisco, there were a lot of requirements that cost more money than >>>>>> Google budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the idea that >>>>>> cities would remove obstacles like that to get them in their city. With >>>>>> so >>>>>> much existing broadband already in place, this is certainly not the >>>>>> case. I >>>>>> think Google thought all cities were going to have the attitude like they >>>>>> had with the first cities who applied for Google to come to their cities >>>>>> (Like Kansas City did). >>>>>> >>>>>> Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit >>>>>> their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on >>>>>> pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge logistic >>>>>> problem in planning construction especially with underground deployment. >>>>>> This also drove up costs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will see >>>>>> from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark fiber, >>>>>> capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems where they >>>>>> can. They may use microwave to cross connect systems or bridge high >>>>>> construction cost areas such as railroad crossings. They are looking at >>>>>> wireless to basically go more from the curb to the customer, especially >>>>>> in >>>>>> MDU cases. Existing competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU >>>>>> makes it risky to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a >>>>>> huge take rate within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a >>>>>> high >>>>>> capacity short hop last mile, but even then they will have challenges >>>>>> with >>>>>> spectrum, interference and capacity. >>>>>> >>>>>> While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to >>>>>> do whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot from >>>>>> the inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty somethings with >>>>>> ADD >>>>>> and too much money. They also seem to have the attitude that older folks >>>>>> are too far behind the times to possibly know what they are talking >>>>>> about. >>>>>> Google is certainly not a utility infrastructure company and lack the >>>>>> people, tools and skill sets to be one. They are their own best >>>>>> cheerleaders and they have a dangerous habit of believing their own hype >>>>>> internally and are not real good at listening to fresh viewpoints and >>>>>> outside input. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank You, >>>>>> Brian Webster >>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>>>>> >>>>>> They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel >>>>>> through the eye of a needle. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your >>>>>> WISP. >>>>>> >>>>>> We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in >>>>>> the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the best RF >>>>>> engineering talent in the world on their payroll? >>>>>> >>>>>> They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which >>>>>> is evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most >>>>>> appropriate one for the application. If it was going to cost you a couple >>>>>> hundred thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing the same >>>>>> thing too. It's the smart play. >>>>>> >>>>>> At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean >>>>>> "saying they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies". >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wait until they experience ducting ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Bill Prince >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in >>>>>>> San Jose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone know anything about Webpass? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bp >>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative to >>>>>>> fiber. >>>>>>> Interesting times! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/ >>>>>>> 08/google-fiber-del >>>>>>> ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
