Ah - good deal! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sterling Jacobson To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
So far I have used them mostly for large sweeping changes in my network topology. They programmed my OSPF and MPLS/VPLS stuff en mass, remotely. Which took a lot less time than I would have taken, and went a lot smoother. Dennis did most, if not all, of the work himself. He was awesome to work with and got the job done in a timely and relatively painless manner. I intend to use them again for major changes and additions. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? I agree on the support side. How do you utilize linktechs to program your mikrotiks from remote? do you power them up on a bench they have remote access to? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sterling Jacobson To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? Partner companies do the construction phase and drops/splicing. I contract out the CPE/ONT and inside install for $50 an install. I also contract LinkTechs for larger scale mikrotik programming and configuration. I have a local company and other local people on contract for help with site maintenance and setup and other network monitoring and site engineering. Most of my phone calls are sales so I do all of that personally since it’s only a call or two a day. I handle front line support since again it’s very few calls or messages. I do find now days that support and even sales come in from a lot of different sources. I get phone calls, texts, emails and facebook messages that I respond to. It’s a lot different from a few years ago where it was mostly phone calls and emails. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 8:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? what do you pay these contractors and for what work? On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> wrote: Yes? (pops head out of hole) I am the only employee, everyone else is contracted. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? Yep, ask Sterling. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? Contractors? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> wrote: I can run a WISP by myself, (have been for 12 years), no way to do fiber without any employees. First two good employees is going to cost what? $100k/year? I'm gonna keep on doing it this way as long as i can!!! On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: A bunch of folks on this list doing fiber with very few employees. Wireless is and always will be ersatz fiber at best. From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? I looked into doing fiber a couple years back but was too cost prohibitive and was going to require too many employees. Glad I waited because now it looks like we can get fiber type speeds over wireless with some of the new radios coming out. Plus you wont have to worry about someone cutting your fiber! I really did not want to own plant that was in the public right of ways. Now i can keep on my plant on private property. On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: My grampa used to say "you can't put 10 lbs of shit in a 2 lb bag"..... I didn't realize there were other variants :) The camel thing is used in the bible as a metaphor for something nearly impossible. "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven"....or something to that effect. (I hope nobody here has gotten too rich, we want to see you on the other side). I imagine Reynolds understands the metaphor, but not the application of it. He may be right to question it. Google has probably weighed the options. . ------ Original Message ------ From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: 8/10/2016 1:36:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? You can't put 12 pounds of shit in a 10 pound bag. You can't get 100 gbps in ~100 MHz of spectrum. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: I have looked this phrase up, but I still don't understand it. On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel through > the eye of a needle. > > -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your WISP. > > We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in > the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the best > RF engineering talent in the world on their payroll? > > They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which > is evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most > appropriate one for the application. If it was going to cost you a > couple hundred thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing > the same thing too. It's the smart play. > > At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean "saying > they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies". > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Wait until they experience ducting ;) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Prince >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >> >> It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in San >> Jose. >> >> Anyone know anything about Webpass? >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: >> >> Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative to >> fiber. >> Interesting times! >> >> >> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-delays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1 >> >> >
