Yeah, I would guess time is the main factor.  I am also guessing they will drop 
it in a few years and go back to fiber.  

From: Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

RE Google, I don't think it is just a cost thing. I mean they aren't short on 
cash. 

I suspect the other major factor is time. It takes a long time to build out 
fiber to everyone.

Then there's the regulatory challenges they face in every market...

-Hal


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016, 9:19 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

  And that is why Google is finally figuring out that wireless is cheaper.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:08 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city



  Fiber has a very long usable life.  Probably 75 years or more. 



  43 month doubling your money is like 8% ROI.  Not too bad.  



  Then at month 44 it is infinite ROI.  How can you complain about that?



  From: Travis Johnson 

  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:56 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city



  That's why telco's and cableco's use a 20 or 30 year ROI.

  Travis



  On 9/15/2016 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

    Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue.





    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340
    Direct: 937-552-2343
    1100 Wayne St
    Suite 1337
    Troy, OH 45373



    On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:



    But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500 for 
gig speeds?



      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Rory Conaway 

      To: af@afmug.com 

      Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM

      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city



      I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you 
hammered me. 



      We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if 
CenturyLink can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps 
circuit, offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change 
although that’s early results.   We are finding price is better.



      Rory



      From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
      Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city





      I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain 
when they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to 
see....they did not see an unusually large change just because service was wide 
open....





        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

        To: af@afmug.com 

        Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city



        Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 
or 3 times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never 
increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an increase 
in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.  



        What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a 
significant usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the next 
thing  you gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can watch at 
one time.  I guess they could host a server farm etc, but most folks will not 
even fully utilize 50M in the near future.  



        From: Ken Hohhof 

        Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM

        To: af@afmug.com 

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city



        Interesting.



        Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 
110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue 
per month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the 
marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that 
actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.





        From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

        Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM

        To: af@afmug.com 

        Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city





        One subscriber at the gig level....



        
http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/



        Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone






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