PhD=push here dummy On Oct 27, 2016 7:49 AM, "Robert" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Phd syndrome... Getting an advanced degree at a big Uni gives you almost > zero experience in the trenches... The move to wireless means that they > can buy their way into the FCC and move down from there... > > On 10/27/16 6:40 AM, Brian Webster wrote: > >> I worked directly on the San Jose and Sand Diego projects. I was brought >> in by one of the main contractors to help reduce costs and increase >> efficiency. Google had way too many �30 somethings� who failed to >> listen >> to experienced telecom professionals. That was one of their biggest >> faults. It was insane to try and build a network in San Jose that was >> going to have to be built mostly underground. That market already had >> new AT&T U-verse fiber and Time Warner with a very strong network. Heck >> I could get 100 meg speeds on Wi-Fi at the hotel I stayed in. Their Ego >> to build in their own backyard was pushing the build more than anything. >> >> >> >> The concept of cherry picking neighborhoods actually drove costs up. >> When they wanted a citywide network design, that is what they were >> delivered, but then try and build out only neighborhoods they wanted >> while still trying to figure out how much of their backbones, huts and >> neighborhood distribution system needed to be put in place to service >> the piecemeal buildout approach, when you were already having to open >> ditches, while having to be a mostly underground build? Yea that was a >> nightmare too! Then let�s talk about how they had no clue how hard the >> MDU market is to secure. They gave no real consideration to existing >> deals in the buildings, or the cost of having to wire on their own >> because the building owner did not actually own the existing cable plant >> and such. These projects were not just a simple math problem to solve. >> >> >> >> They naively thought every city was going to welcome them with open arms >> like Kansas City did. They believed the political hype the politicians >> told them to lure them to their cities, then when actual laws both of >> physics and real came in to play, the numbers looked a whole lot uglier. >> Underground building in established cities is a nightmare in both costs, >> regulations, logistics and amount of work required. Just simple things >> like trying to gather data on all the existing underground >> infrastructure (that has no central source of documentation) was painful >> and costly. You can�t get drawings approved without first showing you >> will not be interfering with existing utilities already underground. In >> many cases you have to manually locate this stuff and then map it and >> then do your design around that information. Other issues to overhead >> builds were poles that would not pass loading calculations, pole owners >> who were less than cooperative or that pulled out new loading rules that >> they themselves don�t follow and you can see where it was not a simple >> process. The employee count to deal with all of this on a large scale at >> the pace they wanted to move was not small by any stretch. >> >> >> >> This was not new news. They pulled the plug on all of this stuff back at >> the beginning of July. >> >> >> >> Thank You, >> >> Brian Webster >> >> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> >> >> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >> >> >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:32 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more >> >> >> >> As they should. Don't build where people who can't pay or don't want >> your service. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/ >> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin. >> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:28:52 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more >> >> In other cities, they cherry picked. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:00 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more >> >> >> >> From the director of one of the Google Fiber builds (in Provo) that is >> not the case. >> >> >> >> He said they overspent on contractors MAJORLY. >> >> And that was just to expand the existing network to all homes in that >> area. >> >> >> >> He argued with his bosses about he extravagant added fees on >> construction but they just said to pay them, no questions asked. >> >> >> >> I had some of those figures from him at that conversation and some costs >> were over 80x what it should have been. >> >> >> >> My best guess is that all the fiber build in certain areas increased the >> contract cost of build into the stratosphere. >> >> >> >> And now they are reigning it in and going wireless to attempt to defray >> the costs. >> >> >> >> At least with Provo they were not allowed to cherry pick, it was build >> everyone. >> >> And it seems like they picked up a large portion of the communities, but >> I didn�t get overall take rate. >> >> >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:56 AM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more >> >> >> >> Absolutely they cherry picked. Then they went into MDU�s for pennies >> and lost their shirts. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:34 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more >> >> >> >> I'd love to see their overall take rates. I have heard numbers of 75-85% >> in more affluent areas. They cherry picked neighborhoods for sure though. >> >> >> >> On Oct 25, 2016 10:15 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Big surprise there. They built it and no one came. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] >> *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 7:14 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more >> >> >> >> Their contractor are still hiring installer in Austin. >> >> >> >> Need to probably understand why those cities not others? >> >> Tushar >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 25, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> New ones. They're still deploying existing networks. They just >> opened up a few new areas in Kansas City recently. >> >> >> >> On Oct 25, 2016 9:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Moving folks to wireless.... Aye Dios >> >> >> >> On Oct 25, 2016 7:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> https://gizmodo.com/google-fiber-halts-operations-in-ten-cit >> ies-1788214992?rev=1477443092657&utm_campaign=socialflow_ >> gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow >> >> >> >> >>
