Having actually paid the guy $10k a month for doing nothing and watching for a year as he answered phone calls we would have gotten the customer from anyway I would think when it actually happens you might feel differently. You can pay someone $13 to $15 per hour to do inside sales. IMHO you pay an outside sales rep to go get business you can't get by answering the phone. You can take a good salesperson and turn them to crap by paying them not to sell, which is what you will end up doing. Been there, done that. But, if you want to learn that mistake yourself go ahead. Maybe I am to "half glass empty" but of course, it is yours and you should definitely do what you want. In the end, we are all rats working the maze. If you put the cheese at the start of the maze, the maze never gets worked. That is what you do to a sales person with non expiring commissions. You move the cheese closer to the front of the maze after a while and every month it gets closer and closer until they just have to lay there and open their mouth. Limiting the time they receive it keeps the cheese nearer the end of the maze. And of course, they can get paid for a contract renewal so they can go back to that expiring commission and renew it and start the clock again. To each his own.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 8:06 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'd love to wire up whole strip malls to and have had this conversation > with a potential sales guy - but how do you get access? is there one > management company or one land owner you have to get through? Once you > wire the place do you own your own infrastructure? ( no ) , can you get a > term-deal? I'm not sure, can you? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > > *Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 7:58 AM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People > > I'm not in a position to offer a base pay that would do anything other > than offend. If they want to hook up everyone in a strip mall, paying $100 > each, I'm fine with that. Each deal is $100, but there's seven separate > deals, that's real money whereas if I discourage them from lower deals, > they wouldn't have chased that. If they want to work all day for a > $30/month account, that $3/month residual is all theirs. I'm not out much. > Tying the compensation to the value of the sale should incentivize most > toward the higher dollar accounts. > > I figured the long term residual would be self-fulfilling. If I'm getting > paid forever from the customer, paying the sales guy forever really isn't > an issue. Once the ROI is done, I'm in an even better position. If the > customer stops paying me because the sales guys wasn't taking care of them > properly, I'm no longer paying the sales guy for that account. If he stops > working because he's collecting $10k/month for doing nothing, fine. I get a > new sales guy. If someone truly wants to do nothing, they'll do everything > in their power to do it. > > > Then again, I'm not getting any bites, so maybe I have the wrong approach. > > > > I have done regular LinkedIn posts and even shared those posts to the > greater Chicago area B2B and sales groups, but not a job position ad. I > have a hard time swallowing paying $400 without the guarantee of getting > someone good (or at all). > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Friday, October 28, 2016 7:45:13 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People > > First, I would focus on just business sales and raise the minimum package > value sold by this person to a few hundred dollars. You don't want them > wasting time with the consumer level stuff you already handle well. Small > businesses wanting to pay $100 or less are making their own phone calls and > expect to be treated more like regular consumers since that is what they > really are. Next, make sure you put a limit on the revenue share. Tying it > to a contract length or 18 months are good. If you give them rev share > forever eventually they don't need to work to earn a substantial paycheck > and become unmotivated. At least that is how it ended up for us when we > made the mistake. > Most of these people want some kind of estimate of what they can earn so I > would try to come up with that and put it in the ad. In addition, if you > can pay a lower commission and add base pay some people are just not in a > position to live commission only. I prefer it and I think the absolute best > sales people do but you just might not get those people. Maybe consider > doing without the first month and replace with a base as an option. I give > my candidates the choice and the option to switch at 12 months. > You might try LinkedIn. I have had some success recruiting there. > Otherwise, if you like a salesperson that tries to sell you on a B2B > service ask them if they know anyone interested in a sales position. They > may be or they may know someone who is. That is how I hired my last one. I > like copier sales people for their technical side. I like the phone book > salespeople as they are 100% cold call with no support for leads. It also > easy to make a case on the fact that they work for a dying company. Most of > them are actually selling web pages so they are close to your business > anyway. > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:46 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > What's the best way to get a B2B sales guy? That's the overall point, but > digging in deeper, what should I be asking for? I'm very tech oriented, > very little sales. I'm needing someone that can do it on their own without > guidance from me on what I want them to do. To me, sales sounds more like > B2C or lower end services while business development sounds more B2B or > higher end, but does the sales world reflect that? > > Where do I look? The #1 source people say is referrals, but apparently I > don't know anyone that knows anyone worth a darn as I've posted it on > various social media... a dozen times over the last couple years. > > > Here's the copy from a posting I did this past summer: > > Job Description > > Local ISP seeking independent sales leader. ICS has been operated in the > DeKalb - Naperville area for 12 years by tech guys. > > Compensation will be a one time commission after the sale and a 10% > residual to ensure the customer is attended for on an ongoing basis. Our > services range from $30/month into the thousands of dollars a month. The > path you take is yours. > > Job Requirements > > We need someone with B2B experience to lead our sales force. You will be > responsible for the entire sales and marketing process. The tech guys will > say what they can do where and your job will be to develop the strategy and > then pursue those clients. We can teach a good B2B salesperson the tech > they need to know far easier than you'll teach us how to sell. > > We believe that boots on the ground would be necessary, so willingness to > travel to the DeKalb, Kane, Kendall, southwest DuPage and northwest Will > County areas as needed would be required. > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > >
