we actually did tons of 900MHz installs back then...very few were for Internet...most were for connecting schools together to share resources and T-1's or business offices. Our early largest project was for Phillips 66 Refinery to connect control rooms together....that was fun because we got to use tanks and obstructions to bounce or reflect signals....long long ago , in a galaxy fa far away......
Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > I imagine it was easier back when you could sell 256k and expect people to > be happy. In some places it's 900mhz or nothing. In that case, maybe you > charge whatever is required to make it work. > > At the moment the only new 900mhz we have are fringe cases. The only > other 900 we have is legacy stuff. On the legacy ones, we hate fussing > with the interference and the customers hate the available speed, and there > aren't enough customers to easily justify an upgrade. So I get what you're > saying, but I have to believe there's somebody for whom 900 is either the > right move or the only move. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: 11/22/2016 10:41:34 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dual-slant 900mhz omni (for PMP450) ordering group > > > I would need to see a map. Maybe some of your guys experiences with 900mhz > were different from mine in rural Alaska, but the use of the band + lack of > density just didn't make any investment viable. Even if the thought was to > backfill with towers and nlos/los later on down the road, the return just > wasn't there. > > On Nov 22, 2016 9:38 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> 900mhz is a good solution to get a lot of coverage into an area you are >> building into and then you come in later and put up more towers to get >> people switched off of it and on a LOS technology and then maybe you still >> will only need the 900 sectors to cover a couple directions from the tower >> so you can take all the sectors down but 1 or 2. >> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Considering 900mhz is only going to get worse in almost every location, >>> why would one continue throwing money at this? Is the time and money even >>> expected to be recovered? Equipment costs, installation, configuration, >>> constant tweaking, etc... Only to find out that in the very near future you >>> will have to go a different route. >>> >>> What am I missing? >>> >>> On Nov 22, 2016 9:29 AM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Could also use a 2-way splitter, and only lose about 3db. Then put two >>>> up with an ABAB configuration. You'd still be using 2 APs, but the >>>> performance would be quite a bit better. >>>> >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/22/2016 7:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe he's the one guy with no noise in 900mhz. We don't know that >>>> from back here. >>>> >>>> You could use a cheaper V+H antenna on the AP as long as you use V+H >>>> antennas on the CPE. >>>> >>>> You could also build an array of four sector antennas with a four-way >>>> splitter. You lose at least 6db on the splitter, but if you're looking at >>>> 5dbi and 7dbi omnis then it's probably in the same ballpark. The good >>>> thing is you could set a different tilt angle in different directions and >>>> if load required it in the future you could go to two 2-way splitters and >>>> two APs. >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> Sent: 11/22/2016 10:12:13 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dual-slant 900mhz omni (for PMP450) ordering group >>>> >>>> >>>> You are wasting you time with omni's on 900mhz. So your sacrificing a >>>> lot of gain to get 360 degree coverage which in turn will result in higher >>>> overall noise floor and lower signal when this 450 product really starts to >>>> shine you need 25db+ SNR at the client side to get the higher modulation >>>> connections. So even if you got the Omni you'd going to be lucky to get >>>> 8-10db SNR to the client which means your only going to be running at 2x >>>> speed and getting 10mbps download which will probably be intermittent. I >>>> had a lot of omnis on FSK 900 and I can tell you that after having used the >>>> cambium slant sector on 450 I am a firm believer in sectors only for 900 >>>> from here on out. I have connections that are 3-4 miles out running 10mhz >>>> channels and getting 40mbps down/10mbps up. You will never get that with an >>>> Omni unless you have LOS and if you have LOS then why aren't you using >>>> another frequency band? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:03 AM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've been looking for dual-slant 900mhz omni options that would allow >>>>> lower-cost PMP450 900mhz deployment on middle-of-the-woods towers where >>>>> there are only a small number of customers (and low noise). I know that >>>>> "omnis suck compared to sectors", but having nothing at all sucks more. >>>>> Due to the difficulty of designing dual-slant antennas and the small >>>>> market, options are very few. >>>>> >>>>> Commscope has the CH360QS, only 5dbi gain at ~900mhz... and it's a >>>>> cellular base station omni with all the fancy doodads: 1800-2200Mhz band >>>>> that WISPs can't use, internal GPS antenna, internal diplexer, >>>>> remote-controlled signal tilt on the upper band, etc. At $3500 per >>>>> antenna I hope that it makes your breakfast too. >>>>> >>>>> Alpha has the best design that I found at present, the AW3464. ~7dbi >>>>> gain http://alphaantennas.com/products/small-cells/aw3464/ . It's >>>>> ~$1200 USD which is still inexpensive compared to any other NLOS options. >>>>> >>>>> But currently those antennas cannot be bought - I spoke with Crossover >>>>> Distribution and Alpha, they haven't received enough POs to make a >>>>> production run, need 50 orders at a bare minimum. So if anyone else is >>>>> really interested in one or more of these antennas, ready to buy for sure >>>>> if they are available, e-mail me "If available, I will buy x number of the >>>>> Alpha AW3464 at $1200/USD each from Crossover." and I'll make a list, once >>>>> it hits 50+ antennas I'll speak with Crossover and see if it can happen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
