Tushar,
Yes, similar name, similarly pleasant folks, very dissimilar
goals... http://residential.wavebroadband.com/
Jason
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Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:04:21 -0600
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I am guessing this "Wave", is different company then the one who cells us
equipment out of Chicago, correct?
Tushar
> On Dec 23, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
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> There's been some M&A in the Seattle area with Wave buying Cascade
Networks. Cascade Networks is a WISP, but they also own Last Mile Gear.
They've been on the list in the past, so hopefully they can chime in and
tell us what's happening with LMG.
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From: Jaime Solorza <[email protected]>
To: Animal Farm <[email protected]>
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That's a good one.. My favorite was back in 70's when I studied Latin.
Puto means "I think"... (i. e. Putative, compute, etc.) but in Spanish it
is a derogatory slang word for male whore... gay or straight... It's a
fighting word when told from man to man.
On Dec 22, 2016 10:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
> My kids said thanks for some candy.
>
> I said ?no hay de que? and my kids heard ?No, IDK?
>
> They looked confused. Then I added ?No tooth decay either?.
>
> Took a while to sort that one out.
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From: Jaime Solorza <[email protected]>
To: Animal Farm <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
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Yes season 1 was good... 2...nope
On Dec 23, 2016 6:05 AM, "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> wrote:
> You havent seen True detectives? Wow season 1 is the best
>
> From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Chuck McCown
> <[email protected]
> >
> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 6:02 PM
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> Yeah, I am afraid I may have found a new series to watch too...
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:59 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>
> why the hell would you do this, right before christmas weekend.
> Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, two seasons worth. When my
> kids are crying christmas morning cause dads still binge watching and
> wont open presents, im telling them to talk to jason from afmug
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Jason McKemie <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/_RfUj09pWfM
>>
>> On Thursday, December 22, 2016, Gino Villarini <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I was raised Catholic, now im Agnostic almost Atheist. I believe the
>>> bible is a book put together through time to accomplish 2 main
>>> things (same as religion) : Give purpose / meaning to your life, put
together social
>>> norms. They way that they are convey, that?s another topic of
discussion.
>>>
>>> Too many things in the bible that nowadays makes no sense at all to
>>> take it literally?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Chuck McCown <
>>> [email protected]>
>>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>> Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 12:18 PM
>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> Not no problem with what he is saying, I largely have the same opinion.
>>> I look at Science and Religion as two views of the exact same thing.
>>> I only believe in one thing... truth.
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:11 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>>>
>>>
>>> What Neil has to say
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRt0FKeorlM
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2016 7:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Western Law does in fact have deep roots in the bible.
>>>
>>> Western Common Law is the basis of our constitution modified with
>>> the benefit of historical observations of failed nation states.
>>> But those that reject the biblical ancestry of our legal system need
>>> to actually read the bible, the whole thing. Perhaps several times.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) I am the LORD thy God? Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
>>> OK, we have substituted our allegiance to our nation in the place of
>>> god. Ye shall not pledge allegiance to any other nation. Same
>>> idea. You can lose your citizenship.
>>>
>>> 2) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image This is pretty
>>> much limited to counterfeiting these days. (ok that is a bit of
>>> stretch...)
>>>
>>> 3) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain Huge
>>> expansion of this one, you even have to utter trigger warnings if
>>> you take the name of Che Guevara in vain on some college campuses.
>>> Holy cow has the list of things we cannot say grown lest we offend
>>> the snowflakes.
>>>
>>> 4) Remember the Sabbath day
>>> Just Google ?Blue Laws?, lots of stuff is based on this. Including
>>> the spelling of an ice cream sundae.
>>>
>>> 5) Honor thy father and thy mother
>>> Talk to an emancipated minor for a new view on how the law forces
>>> you to literally obey your parents until 18. They can even force
>>> you to get a job and take your money...
>>>
>>> 6) Thou shalt not kill.
>>> Duh?
>>>
>>> 7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
>>> Not only is it against the law, it is very good advice. And if you
>>> do it, your spouse can sue your girlfriend for alienation of affection.
>>>
>>> 8) Thou shalt not steal.
>>> ibid Duh?
>>>
>>> 9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
>>> Slander, Libel, just ask the tabloids if this has ever been an issue.
>>>
>>> 10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet
>>> thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor
>>> his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.
>>>
>>> Scheming is illegal and scheming normally starts in coveting.
>>>
>>> So far I am arguably batting 1000, but wait there?s more!
>>>
>>> Things as arcane as the time periods between bankruptcy ?At the end
>>> of every seven years you shall grant a remission of debts. ?
>>>
>>> Look at Exodus 21 and 22, most of our tort laws can be traced to this.
>>> Property laws are in there.
>>>
>>> Some folks really hate to admit that the bible had anything to do
>>> with our constitution or the founding of our nation. But some folks
>>> think that Sandy Hook was a fabrication too....
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Jeremy
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 7:54 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>> Argument One: Our Legal System is Based on the Ten Commandments
>>>
>>> The legal system of the United States of America is based on the U.S.
>>> Constitution, which includes its own Ten Commandments, if you will.
>>> It starts off with ten rules which ensure the freedoms we have come
>>> to know and love in this modern democracy. The very first one?in
>>> fact the very first line of the Bill of Rights?says that government
>>> shouldn?t be in the business of favoring one set of religious
>>> beliefs over another. Religious liberty is something Americans have
>>> historically taken very seriously, and we have always tried to
>>> remember that the only way one person can be free to worship as she
>>> pleases is if everyone else is free to worship as they please (or by
extension free not to worship at all).
>>>
>>> In short, it stipulates that one God cannot be placed above all the
>>> others. That?s bedrock for religious liberty in this country. No
>>> favoritism.
>>>
>>> Now let?s look at the Ten Commandments of the Bible. That set of
>>> rules begins with the exact opposite assertion: That there is only
>>> one true God?ostensibly that would be the God of the Hebrews,
>>> Yahweh?and all others are illegitimate. ?You shall have no other
>>> gods before me,? it says as clear as day.
>>>
>>> So right out of the gate, we?ve got a fundamental conflict between
>>> these two sets of rules. One is fundamentally pluralistic and
>>> ?secular? in the sense that it resolves to be nonsectarian, free
>>> from entanglement with any one denominational belief set. The other
>>> is just the opposite?it prohibits any other commitments and places
>>> this One True Faith above all over belief systems. These two
>>> ideologies are diametrically opposed to each other. I don?t see how
>>> anyone who?s thinking very hard about this can escape the conclusion
>>> that you have to choose which of these two ideologies should govern our
local, state, and federal governments.
>>>
>>> What you do in your own houses of worship is another story.
>>> According to the way our government is set up, in the private sphere
>>> an individual, a family, or a religious community is free to worship
>>> (or not worship) as they see fit. But in a nation founded on the
>>> principle of nonsectarian pluralism, you simply cannot say that our
>>> legal system is based on the dictates of one religion or another,
>>> least of all one that starts out the way the Ten Commandments does.
>>>
>>> Incidentally I could go on and cover other things that don?t sit
>>> right as well. For example, the notion of observing a Sabbath
>>> (that?s on Saturdays, btw) isn?t exactly carried over into the New
>>> Testament, and simply saying that you worship on Sundays isn?t the
>>> same thing, strictly speaking. We don?t have laws about making
>>> graven images either (which is a good thing considering this
>>> monument is literally a graven image), nor can we possibly legislate
coveting.
>>>
>>> Come to think of it, can you imagine how the arch-capitalists among
>>> the GOP would howl if we began to write laws about coveting? Good
heavens.
>>> Are you really sure you want to say the Ten Commandments should be
>>> the basis for American legal system? But I digress?
>>>
>>> Those things which you can extract from the Ten Commandments which
>>> made their way into our legal code like lying, stealing, and murder
>>> predated the Hebrew religion by many centuries and are nearly
>>> universal among belief systems the world over. So it?s not really
>>> accurate to talk as if the Ten Commandments are the sole proprietary
basis for those things, either."
>>> -Neil Potter
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Josh Reynolds
>>> mailto:[email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> Excellent points.
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2016 8:46 PM, "Jeremy" mailto:[email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> Because it gives the appearance that government is favoring a
>>> specific religion, in violation of the 14th amendment. It shows a
>>> lack of separation of church and state. If we are going to allow
>>> christian displays on public property then we also have to allow the
>>> Church of Satan to erect Baphomet as well. The issue is that
>>> Satanic churches, Muslims, and Secular belief systems are not given the
same rights as Christians.
>>> Just look at the Atheists and agnostics who have attempted to give
>>> the opening invocations at our legislature meetings all over the
>>> country, and the reactions that they got. They have been berated and
disrespected.
>>> This is the ground zero for the establishment of a
>>> government-favored religion.
>>>
>>> "The claim that America was founded as a ?Christian nation? is at
>>> best a gross over-simplification and at worst a myth fabricated in
>>> order to manipulate contemporary sensibilities. Many of the
>>> prominent ?Founding Fathers,? were in fact not Christians in the
>>> sense that contemporary evangelical, mainline Protestant, and Roman
>>> Catholic churches understand the term. George Washington, Thomas
>>> Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, and a host of others
>>> were Deists, or at least influenced by deist philosophy. They
>>> conceived of God as a divine watchmaker ? this impersonal,
>>> inaccessible deity set the universe in motion then sat back and
>>> watched history unfold completely independent of any transcendent
>>> intervention, miracles, or divine-human relationships (Jefferson
>>> famously edited the New Testament to remove all references to Jesus
>>> as a divine miracle worker and render him merely a moral
>>> philosopher). The position of these Founding Fathers was far from any
orthodox theology of divine immanence.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Further, the idea that the United States could be a ?Christian nation?
>>> is theologically problematic. The only ?Christian nation? which the
>>> New Testament envisions is the Kingdom of God, which transcends
>>> national, cultural, and ethnic boundaries. Were the United States
>>> to be a ?Christian nation,? she would have to do more than celebrate
>>> Christmas as a federal holiday and display the Ten Commandments in
>>> her courthouses. If she were held to the same standards to which
>>> the New Testament holds the Christian community, the United States
>>> would have to embody Christian principles, including the mandate to
>>> love one?s enemy, eschew power, put away the sword, give freely
>>> without any expectation of repayment, and ? because she is very rich
>>> ? sell all her material possessions, donate the proceeds to the
>>> poor, then take up a cross of discipleship. The consumerism and
>>> materialism which characterize so much of the American ethos ?
>>> Jefferson?s ?life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? was a
>>> modification of John Locke?s ?life, liberty, and the pursuit of
>>> property,? and indeed most versions of the American Dream equate
>>> property with happiness ? seem to be at odds with most versions of
>>> core Christian values. In short, the United States is not a ?Christian
nation,? and simply displaying representations of the Ten Commandments in
public locations does not change this reality."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>> mailto:[email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> yep but you will probably be yelling oh God when under dangerous or
>>> extremely pleasurable situation, Like Blood Sweat and Tears said, "I
>>> know there is no heaven, but I pray there is no Hell!"
>>> zaz...in your face
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> mailto:[email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> so, we use the Gregorian calendar which is named after a pope... I
>>> wonder if I can skip court dates on the grounds it offends me
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Bill Prince
>>> mailto:[email protected]
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Roadside displays should be free speech.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anything guvmint should be looked at suspiciously. Whether it is
>>> christian, jewish, muslim, pagan, or whatever.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:46 PM, Jay Weekley
>>> mailto:[email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe. All those displays of Lady Justice at the court houses have
>>> to go.
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> > How about flowers or crosses on the side of the road where someone
>>> died?
>>> >
>>> > Do you tear down the pyramids or stone hinge?
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 1:42 PM
>>> > To: [email protected]
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - trolling again
>>> >
>>> > Do you stop all religious displays or just Christian, Jewish or
Muslim?
>>> > There are plenty of religious symbols from ancient religions all
>>> > over public property. I'd kind of like them removed as well.
>>> >
>>> > Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>> >> I have a friend who is an atheist. He compares it to how I feel
>>> >> about any resources from my tax money going to abortion. Not sure
>>> >> I agree with the equivalency of the resources involved but I can
>>> >> see his point. If that is his only issue with my stance I would
>>> >> like to ask to stop all displays of Nativity Scenes in trade for
>>> >> not funding any abortions. Anyway, I thought his argument was fairly
reasoned.
>>> >>
>>> >> I still ddon't understand why they care. It seems some are just
>>> >> purely to try and rub Christians nose in the fact they don't
>>> >> believe and think you are stupid for doing so. I view it like a
>>> >> lot of things. I don't care f you are gay or straight, married or
>>> >> just living with someone, Dem or Rep. As long as it doesn't
>>> >> affect me I simply don't give a shit.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:09 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> >> <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> attention seeking behavior
>>> >>
>>> >> most of these "athiests" "agnostics" "satanists" whatever "ist"
>>> >> they present as, couldnt even tell you the basic tenets of their
>>> >> "ist" and all they do is parrot simplistic talking points from the
>>> >> borg of nevergrewups ... "if you celebrate christmas, than a
>>> >> pagan" nonsense like that
>>> >>
>>> >> society has slowly moved to the age of adulthood being a sliding
>>> >> scale, with fewer and fewer on the lower end every generation.
>>> >>
>>> >> the bulk of actual athiests, agnostics, satanists and other non
>>> >> attention whore ists could really give a shit less what others
>>> >> do
>>> >>
>>> >> just remember, just because the loudmouth makes the most noise, it
>>> >> doesnt mean they represent the majority of their fellows. Also,
>>> >> remember, everyone is unique, just like everyone else.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]
>>> >> mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> We have days on the calendar about people.
>>> >> Presidents day used to be Wash?n and Linc?n bdays.
>>> >> MLK day.
>>> >> Casmir Pulaski day.
>>> >> Columbus day.
>>> >> So, why are the atheists and others so unhappy about displays
>>> >> on public property about Jesus.
>>> >> I doubt anyone in Illinios would get unhappy if t
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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