oh yeah, and time of day billing. carrots and sticks, etc.
________________________________ From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question Sssshhhhh! You’re supposed to pretend it’s about making the grid more resilient and offering futuristic features to the ratepayers. You can’t just blurt out the real reasons like that. Now they’re going to have to bring in a PR team to clean up your mess, maybe tell us it was swamp gas and flashy-thing us. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question I thought that was the point? Remote on/off and shitcan all their meter readers.... ________________________________ From: Af <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Nate Burke <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:12 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new smartmeter. The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to the power to the house from the meter. On 1/3/2017 9:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Good news: would probably trip the breaker > Bad news: probably not fast enough > More bad news: that kind of voltage would probably arc right across the > opening breaker contacts > > Maybe there's a fuse for that. Like the ones up on poles that you reset with > a hot stick. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:11 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question > > I doubt it. Much more energy involved when a primary gets into a secondary. > Not short duration impulses like lightning. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Burke > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:08 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question > > Would one of those 'Whole Home Surge Protectors' Protect against something > like this? > > On 1/2/2017 6:21 PM, Robert wrote: >> When I was living in Santa Cruz we had a situation where the wind hit >> exactly the right direction at exactly the right speed and stayed there. >> The lines started swaying harmonically. Larger and larger loops until >> they crossed. At that point ( I was watching it happen from bed out the >> back window) it got interesting in the house with every active circuit >> with any resistance going bright red. I looked down at a power strip the >> old style cream colored one and the whole interior was bright orange. I >> was doing X10 at the time and they popped like popcorn around the house... >> The wires stayed wrapped and I think a pole mounted breaker blew and >> everything went dark.. The sound when they crossed was very loud. >> Amazingly I described what happened to PG&E they said take everything >> smoked to their office and they wrote me a check right there and then.. >> About $1500 which at the time was four months rent... >> >> On 1/2/17 3:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> We had a situation where the center tap on a local distribution >>> transformer got crossed with one of the phases. It resulted in one >>> phase going to ground potential, and the second phase going to ~~ 220 volts. >>> >>> Everything 110V on the dead phase was unaffected (because it was >>> dead), and everything 110V on the other phase got fried (because it >>> was at 220V). >>> >>> I had gotten up that morning, and I heard our pool pump kick on, >>> which was a 220V motor wired between phases. Sounded like a "normal" >>> morning. >>> >>> Walking through the family room on the way to the kitchen, I flipped >>> on the light, and POP! The light in the family room literally exploded. >>> Weird I thought, but the pool pump is running normally.... Not having >>> had my coffee infusion yet, I proceeded to the kitchen. I flipped on >>> the kitchen lights and POP! another light bulb explosion. Now it had >>> my attention. >>> >>> I went into the garage, and grabbed my DVM (making sure not to turn >>> anything on). Going around the house I found some outlets dead, and >>> some reading 220V. When I encountered the first one at 220V, my next >>> stop was the main panel, where I flipped off the main breaker. >>> >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 1/2/2017 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop. Yeah, that >>>> could kill everything similar to what she is describing. >>>> I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to >>>> vaporize the filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode? >>>> >>>> *From:* George Skorup >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question >>>> >>>> Must have forgot their tin-foil towels. >>>> >>>> I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light >>>> switch, but I can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a >>>> tree fell in my sister's neighbor's yard and knocked the primaries >>>> down on top of her secondaries. So that was at least 12-13kV. It was >>>> ugly. Whole house had to be rewired. >>>> >>>> On 1/2/2017 12:58 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> *that device knows I woke up to my cell phone alarm at 7 this >>>>> morning, brewed myself a cup of coffee at 7:10, and another at >>>>> 7:25,.and another at 8. Then, I took a shower for 10 minutes and >>>>> washed dishes after that. * >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 2, 2017 11:55 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question >>>>> >>>>> Seriously... >>>>> >>>>> When they publish things like this: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "With that flash, every lightbulb in my house had exploded! The >>>>> old lightbulbs merely popped and shattered. Those new lightbulbs >>>>> (CFLs) were on fire! I could see smoke, smell burning plastic. I >>>>> had no idea what happened." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, every lightbulb was on? If not the overvoltage jumped the >>>>> switch? How much of an overvoltage event does it take to make a >>>>> lightbulb pop like you see in movies? I have never seen it happen. >>>>> Especially difficult when the switch is off. >>>>> >>>>> All this happened because of a smart meter? >>>>> >>>>> And later: >>>>> >>>>> "All the while I was experiencing more electrical issues and >>>>> finding more damage. The craziest thing that occurred was I >>>>> literally was shocked getting into the shower! I went to grab the >>>>> nozzle to direct the water down and when I grabbed it, I >>>>> literally got a jolt of electricity, my hand stuck, my knees >>>>> buckled and down I went. I didn’t take a shower after that, >>>>> needless to say. >>>>> >>>>> When I came downstairs, I heard water and could hear popping. The >>>>> main water line from my well had exploded and electricity was >>>>> sparking from it." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/06/27/smart-meters-fire-living-he >>>>> ll-and-bureaucratic-messes/ >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Robert Andrews >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 11:41 AM >>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question >>>>> >>>>> Seth, was that meant to be tongue-in-cheek? >>>>> >>>>> http://emfsafetynetwork.org/smart-meters/smart-meter-fires-and-expl >>>>> osions/ >>>>> >>>>> On 01/02/2017 10:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>>>> On 1/2/17 09:39, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Well, I guess if they change out the socket when they change the >>>>> meter, >>>>>>> they could put a big ass contactor in there. >>>>>>> Note the statement uses the future tense “will have remote >>>>> switching >>>>>>> capabilities”. Like cars will have the ability to fly... >>>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose the other option would be SCRs, but there's heat issues >>>>> with >>>>>> those as they get bigger. An SCR could start an electrical fire >>>>> if it >>>>>> overheated. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Seth >>>>>>
