And everything was on elevated 100% dielectric towers.
If I was going to do it again, I would no a nearfield range inside an
anechoic chamber.
That is how all the big boys roll these days.
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2017 11:03 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance
Antennas
Yes computer controlled turn table with all the official stack of HP
test gear.
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:56 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance
Antennas
Did you have a turn table and the whole works or did you just do it
manually?
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
I have no idea if Lanbowan actually does field testing. I would
think you have to do some because there are always reality issues
that pop up when using a simulation. But as far as exhaustive
testing or third party testing, I have no idea. I had my own far
field test range and I used IEEE testing methodology. So I knew
that my performance in the field would be better than my published
specs.
My guess is that KP will just get absorbed in to the L-COM product
list. More importantly, L-COM absorbed the customer list.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:06 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP
Performance Antennas
I won’t ask if they will sell your design to someone else for money.
But I will ask about testing. Do they qualify the antennas with
lab and open field testing, or is that your responsibility to do
yourself or send out to an independent lab?
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I know you can test antennas yourself, and the KP guys talked
about doing a lot of testing which I think they sent out. But I
see a lot of spec sheets that seem like they came right off a
simulation program, often without qualifying if the numbers and
plots are typical or guaranteed performance. But then I also see
elevation/azimuth plots that are so ugly they must be real because
no marketing guy would make them up. (I think there’s one
Ubiquiti omni that struck me that way.)
A lot of antenna vendors, I think we take their amazing gain
numbers with a grain of salt, subtracting a fudge factor for
marketing exuberance. And without patterns and frequency plots,
just a gain number isn’t that useful.
Looking at published elevation/azimuth plots for dual pol omnis,
the gains are often different for the two polarizations. And with
the 5 GHz wideband antennas, there may be a sweet spot at some
frequency, and in any case the gain usually drops off several dB
in the lower sub-bands.
I also remember the KP guys went through what they called Gen I,
II and III versions, influenced a lot by their interactions with
Cambium. I think the Cambium guys informed them that gain wasn’t
everything in a sector antenna, you also needed a certain F/B
ratio and sidelobe suppression.
There’s also the issues of null fill and downtilt. Electrical
downtilt is especially relevant in an omni, since you can’t really
do mechanical downtilt if you want it to be an omni.
Bottom line, a lot of buyers look only at two numbers: price, and
gain.
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 4, 2017 10:44 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP
Performance Antennas
Yes, Lanbowan will sell to anyone with money. They will custom
build or alter anything for money. Easy company to work with.
*From:*Mathew Howard
*Sent:*Wednesday, January 04, 2017 9:08 AM
*To:*af
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP Performance
Antennas
I think all (or at least most) of the KP sectors are pretty
heavily customized, as I haven't seen anyone else selling the
equivalents, but I suspect that they are all manufactured by
Lanbowan... whether or not the internals are any different than
what Lanbowan will sell to anyone else, I don't know.
The dual polarity 5ghz omnis they sell are certainly the same
thing as Chuck's (there are probably at least half a dozen
different companies selling those in the US... including L-Com,
interestingly).
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Colin Stanners
<[email protected]> wrote:
From my bit of research I believe that KP dual-frequency
"combo" sectors are their own design / build, although I've
never asked them.
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]>
wrote:
Most of KP stuff came from Lanbowan. Same place I got my
customized omni antennas.
L-Com does similar, just import from China.
So just adding Lanbowan to L-Com is not much of a change
it doesn’t seem to me.
I don’t think either company actually built anything
themselves.
*From:*That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:*Tuesday, January 03, 2017 5:42 PM
*To:*[email protected]
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP
Performance Antennas
L-Com/KP presents some interesting potential
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Must be these guys:
http://www.infiniteelectronics.com/
<http://www.infiniteelectronics.com/>
*From:*Timothy Steele
*Sent:*Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:03 PM
*To:*[email protected]
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Infinite Electronics Acquires KP
Performance Antennas
http://www.antennasonline.com/main/news/infinite-electronics-acquires-kp-performance-antennas/
<http://www.antennasonline.com/main/news/infinite-electronics-acquires-kp-performance-antennas/>
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