Closest I had was “Electromechanical Devices” but nicknamed “Motors”.  The 
professor with the least seniority got stuck with teaching “Motors Lab”.  After 
the year I took it, they eliminated it as a required course, along with 
Drafting.  (No, not AutoCAD, the pencil and paper version.)  They had 
eliminated Surveying as a required course the year before me.

 

The guy I had for Motors Lab really, really didn’t want to be there.  His 
answer to any question was “Let’s find out.”  Student asks, what happens if you 
open the field coil on a motor?  Let’s find out!  Student asks what happens if 
you throw a dead short across the output of the generator in a motor-generator 
pair?  Let’s find out!  That’s also where I was introduced to the water 
rheostat as a dummy load.

 

I suspect Chuck would have volunteered to teach Motors Lab.  But still “Let’s 
find out!”  And wearing a lab coat.  And safety goggles.

 

From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC

 

For my schools BSEE everyone had to take power and the lab.  Most hated it, I 
actually liked it.   The 'lab final' the professor made us take wasn't his best 
idea.   Lab was in the basement and I'm taking the second session.  Elevator 
doors open to the basement and the smell of burnt electrical gear is strong.  
Professor walks out with a armload of of test equipment headed for the repair 
shop shaking his head and mumbling 'not a good idea,  bad idea'


Mark Radabaugh

Amplex

22690 Pemberville Rd

Luckey, OH 43447

419-261-5996


On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

In college the only guys that got the 3 phase classes were in the power 
engineering track.  I don’t recall a single lecture or homework assignment 
about it.  

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 6:49 PM

To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC

 

Had to learn me some 3 phase stuff... if going from delta to Y there is indeed 
a square root of three applied to the turns ratio.  

So if I take a hacksaw to the primary and convert it to a Y, then the original 
turns ratio should reappear.  Should....

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 6:05 PM

To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  

Subject: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC

 

OK, last month I tried to use a 240-208 transformer to convert 480 to 400.  
Transformer complained and that poor old 480 circuit breaker just would not 
cooperate.

 

So, today I have a 240 to 480 delta to delta.  I rewired the 480 side to Y by 
joining all the taps.  

Feeding 208 in the 240 side should have given me 416 volts... one would think.

 

First try, the transformer made lots of noise the the wires were dancing in the 
conduit.  Probably means something is wrong.  So I disconnected the Y 
connection and just had three windings on the HV secondary.  But I was getting 
720 volts instead of 400.  Hmmm..

 

OK, not understanding something here, but it is off by a factor of the square 
root of 3 so it is a three phase problem and I would have to break out a book 
about phasor diagrams to understand it.  I did discover that if I connected all 
the outputs and left the taps floating it remained silent.  If I connected the 
taps and left the outputs floating it grunted loudly.  Don’t understand that 
either but I am sure it has something to so with phase relations.

 

So, thinking that the transformation ratio changes by the square root of 3 when 
you go from delta to Y, tomorrow I am thinking of converting the primary to Y 
so we are Y-Y and hopefully the original ratio will re-appear.  

 

I will be feeding it from a 208 delta circuit.  

 

This will involving taking a small hack saw to those huge square copper 
windings on the primary side to disconnect them from each other and tie three 
ends together.  So kinda kills the resale value of the transformer if it does 
not work.  

 

So far, no smoke, fire, arc flash or electrocution.  I was using a fluke 
voltmeter on 720 volts and bare hands though.....

If I make my wife a widow, please nominate me for a Darwin.  

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