This seems to me like a well thought out and reasonable approach to any
complaint.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:

> All good advice.  Except I would not run over their dog.  (without
> specific provocation)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:08 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream
> using apps
>
>
>
> hard coded dns servers in the apps probably
>
> they probably dicked in their router and touched the dhcp server because
> their nephew is a computer genius (who recommended a tp fucking link)
>
> or when dns fails, the apps are reverting to the cellular data
>
> either way tell the customer to get fucked, then just get mad and drive to
> their hose to just take your gear, be so fucking irritated by the time you
> get there you burn down their hous run over their dog and grabbem all by
> the pussy. Then get an AR-15 and start plucking off every adult you see.
> (its been a shitty day today, im living vicariously)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Simon Westlake <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> The way it worked when I worked at TWC was that we'd send out a tech for
> free. If we can show it works fine on our laptop, you get billed. If it's
> something that's our problem and we have to fix, we'll do it for free. I
> always thought that was pretty fair, and deters the 'I don't care, just
> come and fix it' mentality.
>
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 12:49 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Customer says she watches Netflix app just fine on the same iPad that can't 
> browse websites.
>
>
>
> Oh, and as far as calling the router vendor, they typically say to bypass the 
> router and if you still have no Internet it's obviously an ISP problem.  (we 
> use PPPoE so this won't work)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] On Behalf Of 
> Jay Weekley
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:23 PM
>
> To: [email protected]
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps
>
>
>
> They insisted on using their own router and you can verify your radio is 
> sending traffic through it to their Netflix box.  I would give them the 
> option of calling TPLink or sending someone out for an $80 charge if the tech 
> finds it's a problem they created.
>
>
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I do not relish the thought of having a newbie run ping tests from an
>
> iPhone while talking on it.
>
>
>
> Also there’s a conversation that never seems to take place out loud:
>
>
>
> “I have a list of computer techs you could call to work on the problem.”
>
>
>
> “But I’d have to pay them!”
>
>
>
> I’d even be willing to pick up the cost of the service call if it is
>
> our problem, but the basic issue is customers expect anything they can
>
> talk their ISP into fixing will be free.  So do I call the guy I have
>
> to pay, or the free guy?
>
>
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of 
> *Simon Westlake
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:01 PM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream
>
> using apps
>
>
>
> My experience from doing tech support for residential users is that
>
> 'no websites will load' means 'I tried going to one website and it
>
> didn't work.' Or 'I opened my web browser, and there's a message I
>
> didn't bother to read, I just don't like it.'
>
>
>
> If it's anything related to her gear, I'd guess it must be the router
>
> - I can't imagine multiple devices all suddenly refusing to load
>
> websites. If it's any consolation, I can get to every website from my
>
> PC, phone and iPad ;)
>
>
>
> On 1/25/2017 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
>
>     Just checking because I fear getting sucked down a rabbit hole of
>
>     supporting things that are not our responsibility.
>
>
>
>     �
>
>
>
>     Customer as of about 1 month ago reports suddenly yesterday has
>
>     �no Internet�, yet I see regular traffic graphs and she can
>
>     stream Netflix fine using apps.� This is reverse of usual,
>
>     streaming should be more challenging than just going to a website.
>
>
>
>     �
>
>
>
>     To make things worse, customer chose to buy own router and has a
>
>     TP-Link, so I have no visibility into it.� Plus she has no
>
>     actual computers, just iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.�
>
>     Customer is not at all tech savvy (doesn�t understand that
>
>     Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will troubleshoot
>
>     and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
>
>     parents) are paying us for �Internet�.� She reports the same
>
>     symptoms on all devices.
>
>
>
>     �
>
>
>
>     Is there anything that�s happened in the past day (other than
>
>     Trump related stuff) that I might be missing?� Like a TP-Link
>
>     firmware upgrade, or something Apple pushed out to
>
>     iPads/iPhones?� It just seems so strange that no websites at all
>
>     would load, but Netflix would stream just fine.� I�d love to
>
>     blame it on Trump�s media blackout but it�s a bit of a stretch
>
>     to connect those dots.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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