Do you support a president removing access to hearings for individuals in positions that were confirmed by the senate via executive action.
No, and if it ever happens that way, Ill be the first to say its bad. I however have zero problem with restructuring departmental and interdepartmental discussions to be more efficient, if any of the multiple governmental and civilian oversight and watchdog committees find instances of abuse of this then we have an impeachment process already on the books. Do you support a president removing access to hearings for individuals in positions that were confirmed by the senate via the passing of a bill or bills? Assuming you mean signing into law a change that has presented as a bill and made it through the house and senate for signature by the executive to sign it into law... without question (caveat being if in two years we achieve super-majority, then I trust zero bills that come through) Now, I will admit, my last full reading of the constitution was well over twenty years ago, but I do not recall any component that defines the structure of the meetings, I could be wrong, I did smoke alot of pot and take alot of acid back then. There was an interview, I think on PBS with Obamas outgoing chief of staff. It was an excellent interview, where they discussed what amounted to interdepartmental communications and the separation of the executive from each of the individual departments. Well worth watching. On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 5:40 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < [email protected]> wrote: > ask a less purposefully vague question > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Answer this question: >> >> Should we allow any government official to bestow powers upon their own >> office? >> >> I know exactly what the founding fathers thought of this, because they >> wrote extensively about it. >> >> I'm asking for your opinion here. >> >> >> On Jan 29, 2017 5:32 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> no, we need compartmentalization of government. Thats exactly what is >> happenning. and people like you are just too ego pilled to actually see it >> happen. >> >> "he will waterboard" who? "Drumf" really? "yeas, he said so" interesting, >> will he hold the towel, or pour the water? "well no, but hes going to" >> really? "well, not him directly" oh, so who? "he will put people in charge >> to do it" really? "yes" like mattis and pompeo? "exactly" interesting >> >> he cant run, he cant win, his numbers are too low, he wont get the >> primary, he wont get those states, why is he there, he doesnt know what he >> is doing...... really? >> >> The problem with people like you, you think very very small, not bigly. >> You cant comprehend this presidency has been in the works since the 80s. >> People like you are exactly why its going to grow, youve already clinched 8 >> years. Why you ask? See above. >> >> There has never been a presidency like this presidency, where the >> constitution fully worked exactly as intended, yet you want to pull the >> "when in history" well, thats easy... never. >> >> 1 week and the whole nation is in play, this has never happened before, >> on this many fronts, and you are still talking about what you know. You are >> begging, pleading, insulting for the status quo, because thats what you do >> actually know. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> So I sit here and go through the trouble of providing a historical list >>> of times this has happened. >>> >>> Your response would be "doesn't matter, that isn't Trump". >>> >>> And on one hand you'd be right, Trump isn't them. >>> >>> It still sets up a terrible precedent for himself and future presidents >>> that allows for rampant abuse that remains unchecked by the house and >>> senate. Do we really need more government shadow organizations that have no >>> mechanism for congressional oversight? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2017 5:08 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> you are living in what ifs, assumptions, and biased logic. youre doing >>>> fine for yourself. Carry on comrade, in fascism younite >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't dispense of pretenses I never claimed to hold. >>>>> >>>>> You said it wasn't a big deal, you couldn't find a source. I provided >>>>> a source, and you also found a copy (but failed to read it). Then you said >>>>> it didn't read that way, so I highlighted the exact line in question to >>>>> save you the time from reading it. Then you went on some batshit tangent >>>>> about filing a FOIA on the National Security Council of all things. Then >>>>> you brought up "it hasn't happened yet". >>>>> >>>>> Can you please provide a reference in the history of the world when a >>>>> power was granted to someone BY THEMSELVES in government that later wasn't >>>>> abused? >>>>> >>>>> You're blindly trying to maintain a position on this without any sort >>>>> of rational thought. >>>>> >>>>> This is the world our kids are going to grow up in. >>>>> >>>>> Please, at least try to make it a better one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 29, 2017 4:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> how centrist of you to devolve so quickly >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve, you are a prime example of the failure of the public >>>>>>> education system :P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2017 4:46 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> oh.... so you are saying youre complaining about something that >>>>>>> hasnt even happenned... at least thats clear >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm saying if you're going to have a meeting of the security >>>>>>>> council, it would be fucking prudent to have the Director of National >>>>>>>> Intelligence. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can't file a FOIA request until after something has taken >>>>>>>> place, and FOIA requests are redacted or denied in the name of national >>>>>>>> security. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2017 4:20 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thats an awful small amount of text to deliver the entirety of the >>>>>>>>> message. >>>>>>>>> hwat check and balances are you describing here by a person >>>>>>>>> attending a meeting that doesnt pertain to them? >>>>>>>>> are you saying they have excluded appropriate personell from >>>>>>>>> meetings? >>>>>>>>> File a FOIA for the specific meetings you are referencing. >>>>>>>>> reply in line now with the specific meetings you are referencing >>>>>>>>> having taken place so that when you recieve the FOIA response we can >>>>>>>>> correlate them to the listed grievances you are referencing today >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's the line you are looking for. Above and below it lists, by >>>>>>>>>> item, who is allowed to attend at all times, and who shall attend >>>>>>>>>> when it >>>>>>>>>> pertains to them. So who's to say that it ever pertains to them? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Our government is based on checks and balances, right? This >>>>>>>>>> removes quite a bit of balance when the only individuals confirmed >>>>>>>>>> by the >>>>>>>>>> Senate may spend the next 4 years without anything "pertaining to >>>>>>>>>> them". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2017 4:09 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Im assuming this is excerpt of this: https://www.whitehouse.g >>>>>>>>>>> ov/the-press-office/2017/01/28/presidential-memorandum-organ >>>>>>>>>>> ization-national-security-council-and >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> this sounds like bannon is becoming the equivalent of an >>>>>>>>>>> executive secretary, not jesus of jihadi as its being portrayed. >>>>>>>>>>> The NSA >>>>>>>>>>> and HSA (why isnt there a big stink here?) are glorified >>>>>>>>>>> secretaries (like >>>>>>>>>>> the girl at the desk on steroids) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> At no point does it state that the directors are disinvited to >>>>>>>>>>> anything that pertains to them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A restructuring with formal time management. Have you watched >>>>>>>>>>> the senate hearings... very inefficient time management. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Josh Reynolds < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> His position is mandatory for them to meet. The JCoS and DNI >>>>>>>>>>>> may only attend when it is determined it is required. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Text attached from the order. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2017 3:39 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this im still trying to find a legitimate source of what is >>>>>>>>>>>>> actually happening on. just like youre saying it makes him more >>>>>>>>>>>>> important >>>>>>>>>>>>> than the director of the cia, i cant find much other than ego >>>>>>>>>>>>> inflated >>>>>>>>>>>>> opinions. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Josh Reynolds < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's your take on making Steve Bannon's new role critical >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the National Security Council (making him more important than >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director of the CIA) while only allowing the Joint Chiefs of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Staff and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director of National Intelligence to attend "when it pertains to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them"? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was an executive order... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2017 2:40 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't believe everyone is arguing about who lies more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be great if we could argue about the policy and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the character, or lack thereof? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2017 2:23 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like you want a dictatorship. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2017 2:11 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i truly hope you maintain your thought process, exactly as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is, and those of like mind, it will make 2020 a breeze. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And ivankas 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year reign will be glorious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Josh Reynolds < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He's trying to use the very tactics he promotes in "art >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the deal", which basically means "lie about everything, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and negotiate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be absolutely amazed if he makes it into a second >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term. I am also thinking that the Dems won't have their shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the next 4 though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a fucked up place we are in. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2017 2:04 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then even more work can be done >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Ken Hohhof < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The real question is whether he can keep it up for 207 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more weeks. And once the news organizations stop fawning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over him, what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does he do? Start wars? Drop a nuke on Mexico? He can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stand anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else being the shiny object, but you tell the news media >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to shut up and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listen, at some point they will shut up and cover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody notice all the old actors kicking off? Did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they really die over the past 18 months and the news is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just now dribbling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, or did the Trump victory just take away their hope? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barbara Hale was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 94, I guess waiting 4 more years to see if the Orange One >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wins re-election >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might seem a bit much to ask. John Hurt was 77, Mary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyler Moore was 80. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm 66, it's always a bit unnerving when someone younger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than me dies. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they say, only the good die young. Carrie Fisher must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been very, very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good. We miss you, Princess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Prince >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 1:25 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...A fact check on Donald >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump's first week in office >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is just not true. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Several fact organizations made it pretty clear that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> untruths from Orange's mouth were about twice as plentiful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as untruths from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other politician from either party ( and that includes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clinton). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/2017 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Nobody will ever lie as much as Obama or Hillary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is a bar the will never again be reached. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Rory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Prince >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 11:32 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...A fact check on Donald >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump's first week in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > office >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Nothing factually incorrect in that piece. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> largely opinion, so take it for that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > One thing that I disagree with is calling him a liar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think he's not necessarily lying; he just doesn't know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth. Most of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what he says appears to be just made up on the fly, and my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observation is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that his memory is not so good. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > bp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 1/28/2017 10:48 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> First week...What a joke... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://www.dispatch.com/news/2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0170127/fact-check-on-donald-trumps-fir >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> t-week-in-office >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you don't see your team as part of yourself you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already failed as part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the team. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed as part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the team. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see >>>>>>>>>>>>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the team. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see >>>>>>>>>>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of >>>>>>>>>>> the team. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see >>>>>>>>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the >>>>>>>>> team. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
