operational production time, excluding maintenance outages is around 25% whether it be low wind or high wind cut outs So 75 percent of the time the alternate power production is ramped up, dependent on each farm of 300 or so turbines operational status This particular power is piped to another grid, not ours, however they do that, I dont know how much loss that equates to for final aggregate grid gain. There is no documented account of shunted production when operational in non peak time
I dont have a problem with alternate production, its necessary, we actually have a school in the area that put one in and negated their annual electrical cost before the tin foilers stepped in and kaboshed any new purpose driven turbines because of "low frequency infrasound noise" (thats literally what their flyer said, let it sink in that those people are making policy) But dont call it carbon neutral On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types + > production resource usage) > > I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative. > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm > <[email protected]> wrote: > > the turbines here are on 20 year renewing land leases with an expected > > removal at the 30 year mark if theyre still in production > > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> "The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is > >> not offset by the gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day." > >> > >> I haven't seen any data that corroborates that statement. You > >> basically have to look at how long they plan for them to run, the > >> power generated during that time, include maintenance, and compare > >> that to the cost to manufacture and erect. > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > realistic dependency reduction is something we havent seen, regulating > >> > industries out of buisines or to the point consumers cannot afford > >> > things is > >> > not the way to go. > >> > Imagine how many of these millions of windmills we have in the US > >> > without > >> > huge consumptions of oil. exactly zero. The manufacturing, > >> > transportation, > >> > and erection of these things is not offset by the gains, its a net > >> > carbon > >> > loss at the end of the day. They dont even account for the technician > >> > carbon > >> > footprint driving from turbine to turbine. I would like to see an > actual > >> > report on the oil cost per turbine, taking into account all factors, > >> > including the oil for fedex to deliver replacement parts, and oil > >> > consumption in rope and rigging. > >> > > >> > Solar is a joke en mass, from a carbon perspective, especially here > >> > where > >> > all our power comes from nuclear. > >> > > >> > hydroelectric, maybe not a whole lod of oil consumption, but > ecological > >> > impact is catastrophic, what do we have now 2 salmon variants > >> > > >> > shut it all down > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected] > > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> That's a pretty irrational stance to take, being 100% against a > >> >> resource I > >> >> mean. > >> >> > >> >> It is not irrational to reduce dependency on anything though, for a > >> >> variety of reasons. > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Try to make industrial amounts of electricity without oil. Even > >> >> > hydroelectric turbines need lube. Transformers are filled with > oil. > >> >> > If > >> >> > you > >> >> > are against oil, be against oil. > >> >> > > >> >> > -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds > >> >> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:58 AM > >> >> > To: [email protected] > >> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread > >> >> > > >> >> > I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil from > >> >> > your > >> >> > statement. > >> >> > > >> >> > You can also make a decision to reduce oil consumption where > logical. > >> >> > This would be a good thing from a monetary and national defense > >> >> > standpoint among other things. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:55 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Being against oil but using oil... > >> >> >> Think FedEx can do its thing without oil? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If you are truly against oil, stop using it. > >> >> >> Go to the forest. No kerosene lamps, deer fat tallow candles > >> >> >> perhaps. > >> >> >> No guns, takes oil to make guns... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> etc > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds > >> >> >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:53 AM > >> >> >> To: [email protected] > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx." > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:32 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles. > >> >> >>> I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 > cable > >> >> >>> and > >> >> >>> printed circuit boards. > >> >> >>> I like the price of oil to be as low as possible. > >> >> >>> I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the > Arab > >> >> >>> world. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I too have built many miles of copper and fiber over public and > >> >> >>> tribal > >> >> >>> lands. I have gone through the exact same NEPA and FLPMA process > >> >> >>> as > >> >> >>> the > >> >> >>> pipeline many many times. I consider myself a NEPA expert and am > >> >> >>> currently > >> >> >>> advising the US Senate on ways to make that process work faster. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Pissing and moaning that folks with more money than you are > >> >> >>> building a > >> >> >>> pipe > >> >> >>> to make even more money than you sounds like sour grapes and > >> >> >>> jealousy. > >> >> >>> If > >> >> >>> you are against the “commons” don’t use common frequencies. > Don’t > >> >> >>> use > >> >> >>> ROWs. > >> >> >>> Don’t use electricity. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I don’t get several things: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx. > >> >> >>> Being against certain forms of arguably safer and more efficient > >> >> >>> oil > >> >> >>> transportation. > >> >> >>> Being against certain rich people doing business but attempting > to > >> >> >>> become > >> >> >>> a > >> >> >>> richer person yourself. > >> >> >>> Being against the use of public and private ROWs for oil > pipelines > >> >> >>> but > >> >> >>> not > >> >> >>> for water pipelines, natural gas pipelines, sewers, fiber cables > or > >> >> >>> electric. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> And being a second or third generation wanna-be 1960s social > >> >> >>> justice > >> >> >>> warrior > >> >> >>> going thousands of miles to hang with other like minded people > and > >> >> >>> think > >> >> >>> you > >> >> >>> are really doing anything be being cold, being an ass, being > stupid > >> >> >>> and > >> >> >>> wasting your time and the resources of local, state and federal > >> >> >>> authorities. > >> >> >>> Those folks are punks. (Their parents probably have BA in > liberal > >> >> >>> arts). > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> And yes, BTW, I too have made deals with tribes. It is as Lewis > >> >> >>> describes. > >> >> >>> You make the deal, you pay the money and more often than not when > >> >> >>> tribal > >> >> >>> leadership changes, the deal no longer exists and you have > another > >> >> >>> round > >> >> >>> of > >> >> >>> payola. I have native American heritage in my blood. Don’t get > all > >> >> >>> butt > >> >> >>> hurt when I say it is called “indian giving” for a reason. > Tribes > >> >> >>> have > >> >> >>> communal property. You never own anything, you just possess it > for > >> >> >>> a > >> >> >>> time > >> >> >>> until some other tribal member decides they need it. That spills > >> >> >>> over > >> >> >>> to > >> >> >>> dealing with non tribal members. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your > team > >> > as > >> > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as > > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
