That is correct George. When I go back to the site I am going to see if one of the 450i APs will get sync on it. The 450i are currently getting sync on a PacketFlux Power injector. During my initial testing to try and get sync to the ePMP AP I plugged one into the Power Injector that was feeding a 450i successfully. This was running on Gbps from the mikrotik and had REVB surge suppression in place. The ePMP did not receive sync but the 450i had no issues and has run flawless since initial install.
At this point I am fine with the ePMP getting sync from the internal and running on 100mbps with the surge in place. I am just testing to test at this point. I realized that when I didn’t get sync from the Power Injector to the ePMP when it has been feeding sync to the 450i fine I made the ASSUMPTION that the Syncinjector was in fact working and passing GPS due to the flashing light. But I didn’t verify. A quick swap to a working 450i will tell me the truth. Really I just posted incase this helped Chuck or Forest or really anyone else with a similar issue. I am curious if anyone is running a MikroTik RB1100AHX2 ( 6.38.1 firmware) through the Rev D suppression and powering with packetflux a ePMP AP at gig speed AND passing GPS to it and getting no drops / flaps. The fact that this same setup works at all my other sites with 450i does bother me some and the fact that I have never tried it on ePMP means I just don’t know. This is the first site I had tried to pass GPS to a ePMP AP. We have always just used the onboard GPS before. It would be nice to hear confirmation that this works for everyone else with this setup and I am just nuts. Then I could move on. I will say again though I am perfectly happy with Chucks suppression gear and Forests power and GPS gear. Works great for me and I am perfectly fine leaving this one site as is protected and running 100mbps with onboard GPS. Thanks all, Brandon From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (NEW UPDATE ) Just to clarify, you cannot get sync over power to work on those two radios no matter what? All surge suppression removed doesn't get you sync over power from a SyncInjector or PowerInjector+Sync, nor a CMM3? On 3/7/2017 12:11 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: I wanted to give some additional updates on this thread since I was able to go to the site and do some additional troubleshooting before we started customer installs. I found the following: Running auto negotiation speed from the mikrotik with Gbps as an option through a REV D GIGE-APC card and powered by a gigabit syncinjector on 48 volts with less than 180 feet of shielded cable powering an epmp 2.4 GPS AP the Ethernet port flapped close to 1000 times over night. It never did drop down to 100mbps instead sticking with Gbps We could not get GPS sync to the AP using CMM3. Running the same setup but with REV B ( which is what I had in place to start) we had the same results over 1000 drops and no GPS to the AP with CMM3 Running the same setup and no surge suppression at all gave 0 flaps overnight with the gigabit syncinjector powering the AP with 48 volts. Running the same setup with no surge suppression at all gave o flaps overnight with an OEM POE installed. When we added a REV D suppression to the OEM POE there were only 10 flaps overnight and no GPS sync to the AP with CMM3. When we added REV B to the OEM POE there were only 14 flaps overnight and no GPS to the AP with CMM3 We used the same two APs for all this testing. Strangely enough I have an epmp force 200 backhaul at this site that is running through the REV B with OEM POE and has had 0 flaps overs a few weeks now and has negotiated Gbps speed. Could be a fluke, could be wire. Hard to say. Breaking the shielding on the cables made no difference in flaps or GPS still no joy. I have removed Gbps from the negotiation option on the Microtik at this point and every one of the APs regardless of REV B or REV D have worked perfectly on 100mbps with OEM POE or Packetflux and obviously also with the surge suppression. I am fine running at 100mbps on our ePMP and plan to leave it configured this way. This site defiantly did not like Gbps, packetflux and the suppression all in the mix at the same time. Hopefully this helps Chuck as he digs into the ubiquity issue. I don’t have any in my network. Best Regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net Removing the From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE) Looks like REV D is the one you want. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:29 AM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE) Thanks everyone for the feedback. Chuck, I will check the version of the GIGE-APC. Although when I ordered from CTI “my guy” assured me they were the newest. George, I ran the unit on 48 volts for a while but wanted to step down to 30 volts incase down the road someone plugs a none GPS ePMP backhaul into the unit. Not sure how the none GPS ePMP would feel about 48 volts. Thanks, Brandon From: Af [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE) I would check the rev of the GIGE-APC card. Older cards did not play well with ePMP sync over power. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:39 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE) Forest, Thanks for the reply. I will answer your questions below but won’t be able to try the breaking of the shielded cable until I visit the site again. It could be a couple weeks before I am there again. Here is the info: We were running 24 volts ( although as you pointed out I took it up to 48 volts by putting it in place of the 450i) I did not have a 30 volt on the truck so put the 24 volt in until I could replace it. Cable length is less than 200 feet probably closer to 180 feet. It was about 40 degrees F when I was trying to do this and sunny. This is a gigabit sync injector . The 450i that I plugged it in place of was/ is being fed by a PowerInjector Plus. ( have not touched the jumpers) These are being feed through a MTOW ( newest version rack mount APC style ) suppression. I could look it up for model but I think you know what I mean. One thing worth mentioning is my MicroTik RB1100 was having issues negotiation Gig connections on the ePMP APs and the 450i APs. I ended up letting it negotiate 100mb instead. The ePMP backhauls are running auto negotiated gig no problem but are on Cambium OEM POE instead of a packetflux for power. Same suppression in place and same shielded cables. Let me know your thoughts. I am happy to try breaking the shielding connection and report back but like I said it could be a few weeks. Thanks Brandon From: Af [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:02 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE) It sounds like you covered all of your bases, especially since you plugged the ePMP radio in where the 450i was and it didn't work. So some of the ones below don't seem to apply: What voltage are you running the injector at? How much cable length are you running? The ePMP radios reallly are picky about 24V and long cable runs, especially when it's cold out. This is a gigabit syncinjector, right? If so, I won't ask you if you changed any jumpers in the units. I do have one very odd request: If these are shielded cables running up the tower, can you somehow break the shield on the bottom end? A short unshielded pigtail to a keystone jack often works. If you have a surge protector at the bottom, try inserting this either between the injector and the surge, and alternatively between the surge and the cable up the tower. I've had 1-2 reports that reterminating the cables with unshielded ends at the bottom causes otherwise unsyncable ePMP radios to suddenly start receiving sync. -forrest On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <[email protected]> wrote: So to update this previous post. Went to the site and confirmed that yes we were getting the blinking sync light on the SyncInjector feeding the ePMP APs, I logged into the AP that did not have GPS and set it to use the CMM3. Rebooted and no joy still no GPS. Frustrated I ended up unplugging the cable feeing one of my 450iAPs that was receiving sync from the PowerInjector Plus and plugged the ePMP APs cable into it. Still no joy no GPS after waiting several minutes. I am not sure how my 450i APs can be receiving GPS from the unit but the ePMP doesn’t from the same feed. I ended up doing a climb and relocated the antenna for the onboard GPS in the ePMP. It now has GPS from the onboard unit but it would still be nice to have the secondary over power working. Any thoughts I am all ears. Thanks, Brandon From: Af [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 12:26 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. I don't have any CTMs. But I believe the CTM1 = CMM3 and CTM2 = CMM4. On 2/20/2017 11:48 AM, Dan Petermann wrote: Do you know what to select when using a CTM? On Feb 17, 2017, at 12:53 AM, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote: If the 1PPS LED is blinking on the daisy-chained SyncInjector, then I'd say it's fine with a straight-through cat5. The ePMP1000 GPS radios will take 802.3af or Canopy -4/5 +7/8 at either 24 or 48 volts. Running them at 48-56 as others have pointed out several times in the past is better with the cold startup and whatnot. The ePMP Sync radios don't do AutoSync like Canopy. You have to select internal (generate in Canopy terms), GPS (on-board), CMM3 or CMM4 for Sync Source on the Config > Radio page. You want to select CMM3 when using a PacketFlux injector. On 2/16/2017 11:58 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: Thanks, Patch between the two packetflux is 1 foot. ePMP is running 6.2.1.X ( don�t want to go to 3.2.x until they work out one more bug. ) Using the SyncBox Junior for the syncpipe. Cable runs to the APs are 140 feet � � From:�Af [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]]�On Behalf Of�That One Guy /sarcasm Sent:�Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:51 PM To:�[email protected] Subject:�Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. � Shorter the better on the cable Update all the components to the current firmware, and verify the syncpipe is the right revision. The default pinout on the pins inside works with 48v ps � On Feb 16, 2017 11:35 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz" <[email protected]> wrote: Hopefully and easy question here. � We have always used the onboard GPS for ePMP access points up until this point.� We recently installed 4 new ePMP APs and the tower blocks our north facing AP from getting GPS on the onboard GPS. All other track GPS just fine. We also have 450 APs on the tower and are using a PacketFlux PowerInjector Plus to power them and provide GPS and its working fine. I then installed a Gigabit SyncInjector ( had it on the shelf new) �to power the ePMP APs and connected it to the GPS feed with a standard patch cable on the PowerInjector Plus. Light flashes shows its getting GPS but no joy on the ePMP AP. � So my questions are : � what configuration should I use in the ePMP AP? � And I am fairly sure stadard patch cable is acceptable between the two packet flux but I wanted to confirm? � Thanks everyone. � Brandon Yuchasz � � -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 [email protected] | <http://www.packetflux.com/> http://www.packetflux.com
