Forrest,
I think this is a great idea and would be one of the first to want
some. If you could just run power and fiber up and get sync/power and
fiber conversion in one unit it would simplify things greatly. I have
been looking in to some of the gigabit sfp conversion as well for a
different fiber device that I am trying to cobble together. I have
found some that I have torn apart there are the Mikrotik and UBNT ones
that seem to probably be more complicated than what you are looking
for. Here is a list of ones I have used.
BB-elec industrial have these in black metal boxes in West Texas with no
cooling and never had an issue.
http://www.bb-elec.com/Products/Ethernet-Media-Converters/Unmanaged-Media-Converters/IE-Giga-MiniMc-LFPT.aspx
Transition networks
https://www.transition.com/products/media-converters/mge-psw-sfp-01/
and some new ones I have started to play with
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Gigabit-Fiber-Optical-Media-Converter-Board-SFP-1000Mbps-Media-Conerter-Gigabit-Fiber-Transceiver-Board/32715964991.html
Trey
On 3/31/2017 10:46 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
They want a stand per radio, with a fiber to universal poe converter
on each strand. That way all of their switchgear can be at the
bottom. If you replace all of the Lan ports in a syncinjector with
sfp ports, then you get the idea.
I can think of lots of other ways to make this work, enough that I
wouldn't be inclined to build this except that this is definitely a
recurring theme. I think that the idea is that they really want to
limit the quantity of gear at the top. If it was me, I'd put either a
poe switch up top or a bunch of those ubnt fiber to poe converters,
but apparently there are quite a few wisps who don't like this idea.
On Mar 31, 2017 8:27 AM, "Paul McCall" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
How do not have a switch up if you have any form of a SyncInjector
there? “the non-POE side of the injector” needs to go somewhere,
unless you are saying that every POE port has a corresponding
fiber port that would mate with a fiber strand coming down the
tower and have a router with a bunch of SFPs to match.
The S16 is a good model, just add Sync. Extremely simple. No
fiber terminations at the top. (we use MST’s which are a cheap
reliable way to not have to do the tower top terminations) The
next models of 16 will have additional SFP ports. I assume when
UBNT APs have SFPs is when the additional SFPs would appear on the
S16 type device.
VLANing using a single fiber coming down the tower is a simple task.
Paul
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
(List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 10:08 AM
*To:* af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
What I keep hearing from customers is that they want to run a
multistrand cable up the tower and have an all in one box at the
top which they terminate the cable into, hook up power to it, and
then run short jumpers to their radios. I've heard this from
enough different customers that it seems like a common desire.
They all seem to want the box to do media conversion and power
injection and sync, with remote control and not much more. When
quizzed about just doing a switch and an injector up top, they all
expressed how this was unacceptable.
At this point I'm looking at feasability. I'm not sure if this
will ever see the light of day, a lot depends on the amount of
R&D required.
On Mar 31, 2017 7:07 AM, "Paul McCall" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Forrest,
For what it is worth, when we went Fiber (MST) up the tower,
we run UBNT S16s up there which is simple and working well,
and GPS pucks on the ePMP, or Syncbox 12 (or Junior) for
devices that need sync. We have a handful of 450s, 25 320s,
and a dozen or so 900s where we use the SyncBox.
Been very pleased so far with the reliability of the S16 POE.
We VLAN APs in one group and BH’s each on their own VLAN, and
bring it down the fiber. If we have other devices with fiber,
we bring them down on their own fiber (off the same MST). Of
course there is core router with fiber inputs only being used
(with the exception of the sitemonitor which I may have to buy
a media converter for just to isolate the electrical
connection into the router.
So, as far as anything up top, I would think it would have to
be some form of switch, or it would be quite kludgy.
Paul
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:26 PM
*To:* af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
I've torn a couple apart that use a fairly easy to use
chipset. But only available in commercial temperature range.
Some of the battle here is figuring out the vendors who do
this type of stuff. I want to avoid switches since I want
this as transparent as possible, but I might end up having to
go there. I have another secret weapon in my arsenal but I'm
hoping I don't have to go there since that's more software and
software takes time.
On Mar 30, 2017 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I looked at doing media converters last year. Not trivial.
*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:*Thursday, March 30, 2017 2:07 PM
*To:*af
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
Yeah, maybe I should be clearer what I'm looking at.
I'm looking at various options to build a tower-top box to
simplify the fiber up the tower with syncronized radios at
the top.. Think a multiport ubiquiti fiberpoe with sync
over power and a gps receiver built in, along with
tower-top management.
I don't want to include a switch up top - most people want
as little as possible up there, and I'd rather keep the
whole thing as simple as possible - I'd rather just use a
copper-to-sfp chipset, but I haven't found any which I
feel comfortable integrating. So I need to tear some
more of the units apart to figure out what chipsets are
available.
-forrest
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Adam Moffett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
RB260.
Haven't had one fail due to cold yet that I know of.
That's a switch, so maybe it's more complicated than
you're going for.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
To: "af" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: 3/30/2017 1:45:52 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
I want to buy another selection of gigabit copper
to sfp converters for reverse engineering
purposes. Ideally some which are known to work
well and especially any which don't fail in non
climate controlled environments.
What is everyone using?
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