Since it seems virtually impossible to get any traction based on a routing protocol itself, I'm starting to think we need mpls-te support on radios along with Ethernet drop below X modulation or Y packet loss (CFM check).
On Apr 5, 2017 9:03 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > With ACM, hell, I'll take 65536 QAM. > > It won't be worse than you had before and will give you more most of the > time. > > How WISPs (mine included) engineer routing is a joke anyway in an RF > environment. We need platforms (other than defunct Performant) to > auto-adapt to the changing environment. One of the big vendors out there > was talking about OpenFlow being on their product's roadmap to influence > traffic engineering. That was a while ago, so the sands may have shifted. I > don't think MT has touched their OpenFlow package since they built it. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:28:25 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity > Microwave Radio Ever? > > Not really wrong, it just takes different thinking than microwave design 5 > or 7 years ago. I can see 4096QAM being very useful for short distance high > capacity 18 and 23 GHz PTP that are paths too long for 80 GHz. > > But "most of the time" can be two or three nines, while it will actually > be 1024QAM or better at five nines. > > Used in an IP network between routers the OSPF configuration and network > topology has to be designed with the understanding that a link might only > have 12dB of fade margin before it's no longer full data rate. For example > if a link when properly aimed on a clear sunny day is at -37, and it needs > -49 to operate at 4096QAM. > > That's a *lot* less fade margin between -37 and "no longer runs at full > speed", when you compare to a 1024QAM 5/6 code rate link that might also be > aimed properly at -37, and no longer be full speed when the RSL reaches -62. > > > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't see anything wrong with that. The product can do it and will do >> it most of the time. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 5, 2017 5:53:34 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity >> Microwave Radio Ever? >> >> To be pedantic they said microwave, not millimeter wave. In 80 GHz it's >> cool to use things like 1000/2000 MHz wide FDD channel band plan and QPSK >> modulation. Squeezing a lot of data into a 2 x 112 MHz ETSI band plan >> microwave channel is a big more of a challenge. >> >> But I think it's silly to advertise things at their 4096QAM capacities, >> if you look at the RSL thresholds that are required to actually operate at >> 4096QAM vs 1024QAM. Like, you need -48 to actually be in 4096, maybe -61 or >> -62 to be at 1024QAM. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> What alternative reality is this ad from? 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