There were two different integrated 5GHz 450i radios Mike.  The first one 
didn't allow for frequency reuse.  It was quickly superseded by one that has 
that capability and is a terrific system.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
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> On May 6, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> As I understand it, they told people you couldn't use frequency reuse on the 
> integrated product.
> 
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> 
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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
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> 
> From: "Steve Jones" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 10:54:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector
> 
> do I read this correct, cambium shipped a product that didn't meet their own 
> spec?
> are they making right, as in shipping replacements at no cost?
> not being a dick, their reuse has always been phenomenal, even though they to 
> this day refuse to admit the Motorola 320 doesn't sync for ABAB
> 
> 
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 4:00 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> Slide didn't come though. Picture the new ePMP 2000 sector antenna with a 
>> 450i AP turned backwards and mounted directly on the back of the sector. 
>> It's hawt. I want 3GHz too, Matt!
>> 
>> On 5/5/2017 9:42 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>> I want to make sure everyone has the correct information on this topic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Darin - It was true that when it was first launched, and we had the 90 
>> degree Mars sector antenna, the front-to-back of that antenna was not good 
>> enough to do frequency re-use.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> However, the current shipping integrated Access Points (part numbers ending 
>> in “B”, e.g. C050045A006B) have a Cambium Networks-designed antenna attached 
>> (more like a standard tall and narrow sector, rather than a 14” square flat 
>> panel).  This antenna was built with frequency re-use in mind, and is 
>> optimized for use with the 450i platform.  It is a true 90 degree sector, 
>> and eliminates the need for jumper cables as George mentions.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have attached a slide highlighting this (if it comes through).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:03 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Be careful with the integrated 450i though as the FTB isn't good enough for 
>> gps sync according to cambium.
>> 
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:00 AM George Skorup <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Accuracy. Known-good connectorized SMs to verify multiple APs in 3 and
>> 5GHz. Coaxes and attenuators only. I've used antennas and bare SMs
>> pointed up at the ceiling and it's just not reliable. We ended up
>> redeploying an old AP that apparently has bad Tx on one polarity. Really
>> trying to cut down on the BS and multiple tower climbs. Also getting
>> really sick of weather-seals leaking for no apparent reason. Which is
>> another reason I'm not so mad about the 450AP going away. We'll probably
>> just start using that fancy new 450i integrated 90 over time. No coaxes
>> to worry about with that.
>> 
>> On 5/4/2017 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > Yes.
>> > But is there a reason you don't want to use the paper clip trick?
>> > Single piece of wire quarter wavelength is all  you need.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message----- From: George Skorup
>> > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:54 PM
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>> >
>> > So... I'm having bad luck finding 60dB attenuators in DC-6GHz or
>> > greater. I found some 50's, but they're only 4GHz. WTF.
>> >
>> > Stupid question. Can I stack 30's to get 60? I see lots of N to N in
>> > 30dB on Amazon. Up to 1W mostly. Looks like for cellular amp/repeater
>> > type stuff. So I assume they won't have a problem with bi-directional Tx.
>> >
>> > On 5/4/2017 5:33 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>> >> 60 dB pads are what we typically use internally...
>> >>
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Skorup
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:31 PM
>> >> To: [email protected]
>> >> Subject: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>> >>
>> >> I need to RF test some 450 APs with connectorized SMs. What's a good
>> >> option for N to N attenuators? I'm thinking I want like 60dB so
>> >> there's no chance of the SM overloading the AP Rx (because SM Tx
>> >> power control doesn't kick in for a few minutes).
>> >
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Darin Steffl
>> 
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