Hmmmmm..... Yes / No....sort of.... 

Things get interesting when you realize that 60ghz Band has been extended to 
include (57ghz to 71ghz) 
BTW.. the antenna gain (60ghz) is 42dBi on the 60-35 units. 

Right now the current chip set supports up to 64.8ghz .. which has a 
significantly less oxygen fade then 59/60ghz channel... 

Will we see a PTMP doing 1-3 miles ? not very likely 
Will we see a PTP doing 1-3miles ? Yes, very likely.... (there are folks who 
are running/testing 1mile links). 
Will it have rain fade ? Yes 

Hope that clarifies ! 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] 

> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:08:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

> 60 GHz has very different atmospheric performance than 71-86 GHz FDD. 2 miles 
> at
> 80 GHz with 60cm/2' dishes is pretty normal now. The peak in this chart right
> at 60 GHz is one of the reasons why it's unlicensed.
> http://forum.flitetest.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36164&d=1418680522&thumb=1

> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Jaime Solorza < [email protected] >
> wrote:

>> I have installed 2 mile 80GHz links at Fort Bliss several years ago..I am 
>> sure
>> newer technology will improve fade margin.

>> Jaime Solorza

>> On Jun 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < [email protected] > wrote:

>>> 60 GHz PtMP at 1-3 miles? I want some of whatever you're smoking because it 
>>> must
>>> be some primo stuff. If you put up a few 500 to 800 meter distance 60 GHz 
>>> PTP
>>> links and monitor them over a multi month period, you'll see that you really
>>> don't want to go much longer than that. I can't imagine that the gain of the
>>> Ignitenet 60 GHz sector antenna is much better than a typical 25, 30 or 60cm
>>> parabolic antenna used for 60 GHz PTP stuff.
>>> If I had to guess the 60 GHz PtMP will be reliable at distance of more like
>>> 400-500 meters, tops, with properly aimed CPEs.

>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Adam Moffett < [email protected] > wrote:

>>>> What IgniteNet is selling is a 60ghz PTMP with a built in 5ghz backup 
>>>> radio.
>>>> It's understood that the 60ghz connection will go down due to rain fade, 
>>>> but
>>>> the built-in 5ghz backup should keep the customer trucking (with reduced
>>>> capacity). I think you'd be installing at ranges of 1-3 miles for the 
>>>> 60ghz to
>>>> run at decent MCS, and at that range I think you'll still get decent 
>>>> capacity
>>>> out of the 5ghz. You'll get a lower speed test, but I'd bet it's possible 
>>>> to
>>>> design so that Netflix keeps running.

>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" < [email protected] >
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: 6/27/2017 11:38:32 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

>>>>> 1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz. It is possible to 
>>>>> engineering it
>>>>> to practically no downtime although less economical.

>>>>>> Zero. If it goes down the phone will ring. With a well designed and 
>>>>>> installed
>>>>>> Canopy system there was no downtime.

>>>>> 2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth? If there is at least SOME 
>>>>> internet
>>>>> available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?

>>>>>> If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted.

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