I used to leave it at broadcast because it was the default and it worked. A lot of anomalies went away for me when I started setting point to point connections to point to point.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: 7/6/2017 3:07:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF

Thanks, upgrading firmware to 6.38.7 didn't change anything. On the upside, your suggestion of not doing broadcast did the trick. I changed that link to nbma and manually added the nbma neighbors and it came right up. I'm not sure what changed to make this necessary, since it had been working fine for quite some time.



On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
Make sure it's not broadcast ospf, I believe that's the default. If one side flaps it goes away til the other side either reboots or ospf disables/enables

On Jul 5, 2017 11:25 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> wrote:
No, not the L2 MTU. The L3 (IP) MTUs must match on the router interfaces speaking OSPF.

I have zero experience with SIAE gear, but being a licensed radio, I imagine it has an integrated ethernet switch. I've seen a fair number of switches go stupid. If you can run 1500 byte pings across the link with no loss, then I'd assume both L2 and L3 should work as expected. However, that doesn't mean something isn't screwing with multicast, which OSPF obviously needs.

On 7/5/2017 10:15 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I checked, all MTUs on these links are the same. The L2 MTU, however, is not. Does this have any effect?

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Jason McKemie <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
No errors or packet loss. Strangely, it seems to be preferring the Rocket M5 backhaul over the SIAE 11GHz link. The MTU on both ends of the link has remained at default on these. I'll double check, but unless it changed itself it should be the same.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 8:13 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote:
Errors or packet loss? Something rate limiting multicast? Has someone recently changed MTUs? I don't know if RouterOS will even log OSPF MTU mismatches. Never tried it. If the IP/L3 MTUs don't match, then OSPF is not gonna have a good time. OSPF relies on IP since there is no native fragmentation in the protocol.

As far as NTP and/or accurate time, I haven't experienced any issues with that in regards to OSPF. I discovered a router where the NTP process appeared to have crashed and the clock was off by like 10 minutes. OSPF was humming along with two neighbors for months and a third for hours because the adjacent router was rebooted.

On 7/5/2017 7:20 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
I also recommend only using bug fix release for mikrotik. Also make sure you have clocks synced to an ntp source on every mikrotik router and that it's accurate.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:09 PM Jason McKemie <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thanks.  I'll try 6.38.7 tonight.

There haven't been many changes to the network, and every is pingable. I did add one static route for a Baicells eNB a week or two ago, but the problem cropped up more recently. I'll have to look into that a bit more.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Chris Wright <[email protected]> wrote:
I recommend sticking to the Bugfix releases (currently 6.38.7).



Did anything happen recently that could possibly have provoked the disappearance like a VLAN or other L2/L3 change? Are the neighbors pingable on their backbone IPs?



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 4:53 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF



Has anyone seen issues with Mikrotik OSPF neighbors just disappearing for no apparent reason? All of my links are ok, but I OSPF just isn't picking anything up on one of them. I might try upgrading both of the Mikrotiks involved, this feels like a bug. I have 6.38.5 on one end and 6.38 on the other, both CCR's.


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