Just as long as it finished before the next one started. ;-) 

I think that's some of what I'm getting from the people I talk to is a desire 
to understand where the current process is failing. Not so much in adding 
additional functionality, but in fixing what's already there. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




----- Original Message -----

From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> 
To: "af" <[email protected]> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:47:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections 


Yep... seems to me Microsoft could easily make the problem go away... I can't 
see why it would make a bit of difference if the majority of the updates took a 
few weeks to download. Seems to me like it would be better for pretty much 
everyone involved. 



On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Adam Moffett < [email protected] > wrote: 




Limelight. 
I have a 10MB pcap file. 


It's not hard to crush a 3mb connection though, so I'm not sure how important 
this case is going to be. I wish msoft's updater would look at average 
throughput over the first 5 minutes of an update, then limit itself to half of 
that. If they did that, I would never even know the updates were running. Or 
just limit non-critical updates to 128kbps. It might take 10 weeks to finish, 
but would I really care? Or for Pete's sake just let me configure a limit of my 
choosing. 


Anyway, I do appreciate you taking the effort to look for answers at the CDN 
level. Just seems to me that Microsoft could easily make the problem not exist. 




------ Original Message ------ 
From: "Mike Hammett" < [email protected] > 
To: [email protected] 


Sent: 7/12/2017 8:59:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections 



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Oh, that's unlikely to be of significant help, but I can check. What is the CDN 
it's connected to? 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < [email protected] > 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 7:55:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections 


Windows update is using my entire 3mbps connection right at this moment. 
I have a pcap, but it's from my side and in this case i don't have access to 
the provider side. 






------ Original Message ------ 
From: "Mike Hammett" < [email protected] > 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: 7/11/2017 8:25:28 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Microsoft Updates Thrashing Connections 



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It's Patch Tuesday, so I figured I'd pop in to remind people that have issues 
with Microsoft Updates to get packet captures of the problems at least one 
level upstream of whatever device is doing the rate limiting. When you have 
them, let me know so we can coordinate with whichever CDN and Microsoft to look 
into why it is happening. 

We're specifically looking for times when there are dozens of TCP connections 
open for the transfer or when the CDN is ignoring TCP norms and sending more 
bits than the customer is limited to. 




----- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 








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