I should get a real estate license then. We have a lot of these locations. Just got 4 more last week.
Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap I have been talking about this model for 3 or 4 years now, literally ever since the horns went into testing. It seems so simple, but between their beamwith and isolation and the newer radio designs it just makes sense - as long as you can find ways to wheel and deal for the required real estate. On Jul 22, 2017 11:38 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: RF Element antennas have completely changed that equation. Because of the cost of newer APs, you can use more APs at a lower cost which shares the capacity across more APs. This allows up to 150Mbps per customer if you are using Mimosa A5cs for example. I have a site where we have 7 Prism APs on the building and could easily deliver 100Mbps to customers with Prisms and RF Element antennas. We have tested speeds up to 195Mbps with some customers as a demonstration just for bragging rights against competitors. With 40MHz channels, I’ve got capacity of 200Mbps or more on each of the APs now with 40MHz channels. You could do the same thing with Mimosa A5cs also and get MU-MIMO along with it. Because of the low-cost of the APs versus the 450, you can deploy far more of them and the processors in them are much faster. In addition, they also support 50-80MHz channels have GPS, Polling, and TDMA protocols. The 450 is a great product and I plan on deploying some 900Mhz units soon but with new equipment from Ubiquiti and Mimosa, don’t think it’s the only game in town any longer by any stretch. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:26 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap Micro. Pops. That's where the distributed low cost APs make sense (where you can of course). On Jul 21, 2017 4:02 PM, "Joe Falaschi" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: What Chris said. Our 450Ms have been a huge game changer for us. We have a tower with 300 people on it, pretty much all on one side (180 degrees is busy and the other 180 degrees is pretty silent). In the past we’d add an AP to offload capacity and that AP was used up day one. There just wasn’t a path to catch up with demand much less start to offer faster speeds. If there is any kind of density, greater than 100+ clients on the tower, I’m not sure how you use anything other than 450m at this point. Joe On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Chris Wright <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: ePMP might make sense to build in a new area, but when you have 100+ clients in a single 90 degree sector, replacing your triple-stacked PMP450 APs with a single 450M, saving 40MHz of spectrum, offering faster speeds, AND not having to swap 100+ radios feels mighty nice. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:58 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap I've had ePMP's do some weird things here and there, like refusing to reboot or accept config changes. Nothing a power cycle didn't fix. I've had to power cycle a PMP100 or 450 to fix a problem approximately zero times. I know a neighbor who had a tower hit by lightning an ePMP and a Ubiquiti Rocket died while the PMP100 and 430 stuff kept on chugging (he didn't have 450 there yet). 450 has a few management conveniences like remote spectrum analyzer, RF private IP, and SM proxy access via AP. So overall my experiences say the 450 is better than the ePMP, but I still use a lot of ePMP for all the reasons others have stated. ePMP is good bang for the buck. -Adam ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: "af" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: 7/18/2017 10:23:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap It seems to me (as someone who hasn't actually used PMP450 to speak of, other than 900mhz), that PMP450 has some advantages for high density deployments... particularly if you're talking 450m, or even the ability to easily upgrade to 450m. But in a network like ours, where the average SMs per AP is somewhere around 15, I just can't see any way that it could possibly be worth going with 450 over ePMP. On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: The PMP450M can make ~~ 12° sectors. On a busy tower, and surrounded by noisy neighbors, we're often seeing 30 dBm SNR. Nothing else comes close. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 7/17/2017 10:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Serious question, not my usual sarcasm, how are you 450 folks justifying the substantial proce difference between 450 and epmp, seriously, if you dont freeze in the winter, i couldnt justify it. Granted we dont sellbover 12\2 and we dont have more than 40 per ap, i just dont see the value, they did too good a job on epmp On Jul 3, 2017 12:10 PM, "Craig Schmaderer" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I have never seen more than around 55mbps on 450sm in bridge mode with any firmware. Maybe I missed a 14.x that it did, but I haven't seen more than 55mbps on any 15.x firmware. I am working on a bug with then on 15.1 where it looks like the qos speed limiters are not enforcing speed settings. I have never tried a 450i sm but I would assume those work fine, I have many 450i PTP that work great. ________________________________ From: Af <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:38:49 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap The original 450 hardware will max out at around 70mbps TCP. Even if you have no traffic on it that is the limitation. I don't remember which firmware it was but the 14.0 something sounds right and I have personally gotten the 70mbps to a SM on a AP with 3 clients. Now the 450i AP basically the 70mbps cap is gone and you can get whatever the link tests show (as long as your testing to an 450i SM). I have two customers with 450i SM on a 450i AP and have seen well over 125mbps TCP easy. Now that same AP talking to older 450SM's those SM's can still only get 70mbps max. So basically what you need to do is put the 450i AP up where you need to total AP capacity of more than 50-60mbps and then only use the 450i SM on the clients that need more than the 50-70mbps. I have not tested speeds since I upgraded firmware to 15.1 so if a bug was recently introduced I know nothing of it. On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 7:51 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Aaron demonstrated some throughput improvements with both NAT and bridge mode back around 14.2 development. IIRC, they were able to get a little over 70Mbps downlink in bridge mode on a standard 450 SM. Real TCP throughput, not a link test. What I was seeing on some of our most heavily loaded 450 sectors is the AP seemed to max out around 55Mbps downlink and 10-11k PPS. In that case I'm thinking the issue was simply the PPS limit and not that the AP was limited to 55Mbps. As far as the SM, I don't know. Perhaps a regression with 15.x. 15.0.x did have some high-priority issues. On 7/1/2017 2:25 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: Ok, I have tried to get cambium to publicly admit to this ever since I started using 450 a few years ago. The current sm in no way can pass more than about 50-55 mbs of real traffic. This has never been a real issue however because I don't do those kind of speed plans. I have been waiting for their new sm design to take care of this. If anyone disagrees with me I would love to chat. (Really) ________________________________ From: Af <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of George Skorup <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:01:22 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap 14.2.1 has its own issues, mostly the high-priority bugs, but I thought that would achieve 60+? I guess someone could try a 450i SM on 15.1 and see if it's any better. That should rule out or confirm the CPU suspicion. On 6/28/2017 6:53 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: That's about all I get on a 450 as well. I think it's CPU bound. On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Eric Muehleisen <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: See attached. This is a 20mb SM. Again, it will burst up to 52 mb <image001.jpg> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Chris Wright <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: What QoS settings in the SM? Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 1:36 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap Yes. Just yesterday tested a 450i AP (40mhz) with a 20mb 450 SM. Linktests showed 137 x 58 but most we could burst to was 52 x 45. Both AP and SM are on 15.1. I currently have a support ticket open for this as well as increased DFS issues. On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Colin Stanners <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: We setup a customer on a very lightly loaded 5ghz PMP450 AP and SM, 20mhz channel, expecting them to burst up to 70mbit speeds for download; linktest is reliably 85-90d and there's effectively no other usage. But we can't seem to get over 50mbit speedtests. Has anyone else seen such issues?
