Like Hammet says, not enough sites is the major issue with digital. They
all think digital lets them get more for less. Totally not the case, as
many agencies have found.
On 10/4/2017 6:50 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
In PA the state police hate the digital system. So they carry two
radios in their cars. The state digital and their own VHF. It's stupid.
On Oct 4, 2017, at 19:37, Lewis Bergman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Me thinks I am probably the only one on this list with decades of
public safety and commercial two way radio experience and still in
the business. I'll sum it up.
* All Two Way channels are getting narrower
* Digital is the way things are going to continue to go
* It ain't going back
It doesn't matter that 95% of the geography doesn't need it. These
trends are driven by the dense population areas that require more
spectral efficiency and there isn't anything anyone is going to do
about it. FirstNet is the same thing with different bands. Second,
try 12.5KHz or 6.25KHz without digital and see what that crap sounds
like. I lived through it and companding was a lot worse. Most of you
aren't old enough to remember when the channel sizes were all 50KHz
instead of 25KHz and everything sounded beautiful. Those days aren't
coming back.
No matter what vocoder is used some tuning to dialect and speech
helps. Having said all that, some voices are not going to sound good
on any narrowband. If you come from analog wideband to narrowband
digital it all sounds like crap. You get used the the difference and
there is no issue understanding words or intent.
In short; everything sounds better wide band, there is no wide band,
get over it.
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM George Skorup
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
P25 Phase-I uses the IMBE vocoder. Yeah, that kinda sounds like
shit. Phase-II uses the AMBE+2 vocoder, but then you have the
TDMA split into two time slots, i.e. half the bandwidth. Still
better than IMBE. DMR/TRBO is also 2-slot TDMA using AMBE+2. I
use it and don't think it sounds that bad at all. Add encryption
overhead and it sounds worse, regardless of the vocoder used.
Bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth.
On 10/4/2017 9:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
But it does. In a stressful situation the last thing you need is
to not be able to understand communication on the radio.
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On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Maybe if they weren't running P 25 or whatever that digital
compression crap is on the radio's conversation would've
flown a little bit better. For some reason digital radio
get sold over and over and over to Public Safety as being
the cats meow, but here in Pennsylvania is a great example
of how it just doesn't work. We spend millions of dollars
retrofitting a system just to start trying to go to another
one.
The last thing you need in a stressful situation is
everyone sounding in the abbreviated and codex scaling down
because the signal level going to repeater isn't good
On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:13, Jason McKemie
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The zones could have been wrong - it happens.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2017, Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Right but if the fire alarm is what led them there,
shouldn't there of been a big red light flashing on
the annunciator panel for what room it was?
On Oct 4, 2017, at 09:04, Josh Reynolds
<[email protected]> wrote:
Could have been caused by all kinds of shit. Takes
awhile for the brain to work. That night was pure
chaos with all kinds of false reports.
On Oct 4, 2017 8:01 AM, "Matt Hoppes"
<[email protected]> wrote:
So as long as we are so off-topic on this.
Does this seem odd to anyone else? I feel like if
there is an alarm going off, the fire panel would
indicate the room it was in.
"The SWAT team utilized the alarm activated by
the smoke to determine Paddock's location. But it
still took SWAT some 20 minutes from the time
they arrived at the hotel to pinpoint the exact
room Paddock was located in, according to The Post."
On Oct 4, 2017, at 08:54, Mike Hammett
<[email protected]> wrote:
The description of sackcloth doesn't sound like
doesn't sound like something I'd want to use for
what it's name implies.
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*From: *"James Howard" <[email protected]>
*To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
*Sent: *Tuesday, October 3, 2017 9:19:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Sackcloth and ashes for everyone!
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On
Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Because we invoked Lent due to things that
transpired last fall. I think it is time to
remind everyone that it is still Lent at
AnimalFarm.
*From:*Jeremy
*Sent:*Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM
*To:*[email protected]
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that
can be closed. It is an email list, and people
can say whatever the hell they want. Why is
everyone so sensitive to constructive or even
non-constructive debate? Bunch of pussies....
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson
<[email protected]> wrote:
Can we either drop this discussion or open
it up to real discussion?
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince
<[email protected]> wrote:
So we should just chemically castrate
any male over 26 or so. Medically neuter
the population.
We can start with Steve.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Sheeple should really be more
concerned about identifying day to
day criminals than mass murderers.
Gangs have more mass murderers
walking the streets next to you
daily today than all the combined
mass murderers in the history of the
country. The city of chicago has a
higher shooting/kill count this year
than this guy.
Worrying about identifying mass
shooters beforehand is the epitome
not seeing the forrest through the
trees.
Really should have killed this thread.
On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill
Prince" <[email protected]> wrote:
Reports on NPR is that there
were both full auto as well as
"conversions" in the assortment
of 23-some-odd weapons found in
the room.
bp
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