For once I agree with Mike, lol, I think Teletronics had a coax to Ethernet
cabling solution catered to hotels and hospitals.   Long ago.

Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 11:37 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:

> If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power up the
> tower and not use anything conductive for data.
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> *From: *"Nate Burke" <[email protected]>
> *To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected]>
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question
>
> Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the
> Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and
> train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These
> units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power and data
> just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing the
> power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical
> installation.
>
> http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0
>
> So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we
> still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a
> installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using
> coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to terminate
> a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are
> inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips.  Cheap cheap
> cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that
> there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  Obviously a
> licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or
> UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of having to
> deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower,
> just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.
>
> Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too
> much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis version
> 3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync,
> Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for
> at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
> It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax
> products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the
> tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters
> and radios until you run out of power budget.
>
> It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why.
> Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but
> maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So vendor
> Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.
>
> Nate
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