I should take and share a pic of the local DEA installation... ( I wonder if that breaks a law? ) Yeah, it's where the "goodies" are and I wouldn't dream of crossing that fence line...

On 4/10/18 6:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
As a former criminal (and suprising to most, yes a mental ward inhabitant) i can tell you one thing, barbed wire is nothing but a jean jackets cost to beat. Razor wire or nothing.

I can also tell you another thing, the more physical "barriers" the more valuable the content. If i saw a steel vertical fence with barbed wire and obscure cameras. I knew, thats where the goodies are. A cheap ladder, jean jacket and a paintball gun, all your shit is mine. Put up a plywood security shack and paint the inside of the windows with black spray paint and keep your lightbulbs outside operational and you keep your stuff.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 7:16 PM can...@believewireless.net <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> <p...@believewireless.net <mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:

    I drove by a lot yesterday that looked about as secure as you could
    get. It looked like not much inside but maybe
    so vehicle parking and junk vehicles. However, it had two rows of
    chain link fence separated by circular razor
    wire in between and on the tops of the fence. While it did seem to
    be a deterrent, at least to me, I did wonder
    what was inside that needed so much security.

    On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
    <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

        I think I would use multiple fence chargers so they can’t just
        short out one circuit and kill the whole fence.
        Or I could go all North Korean on them....
        *From:* TJ Trout
        *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:42 PM
        *To:* af@afmug.com
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
        I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in
        California that are 8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires
        that are insulated from the posts with plastic hanging signs
        that say something like "danger 12,000 volts" I'm can almost
        guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to think that,
        too much liability. It's probably just a regular of special
        fence charger, probably would be the cheapest way to build
        something with the least chance of intrusion?
        On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett
        <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

            It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.
Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards? My criminal trespassing days are well behind me, so I
            honestly don't know.
            ------ Original Message ------
            From: ch...@wbmfg.com
            To: af@afmug.com
            Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
            That was my thinking as well.
            *From:* Mathew Howard
            *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
            *To:* af
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
            I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd
            guess that it would take less time to get through chain
            link, but you're going to need a bigger cutters... and if
            somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut through
            either one.

            But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire
            at the top isn't that hard...
            On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince
            <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

                Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same
                difficulty to cut as chain link. Not sure which one
                would be more or less difficult to get through, but
                when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up
                like an accordion.

                I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you
                described works too. Might be easier to work with.

                Motion activated alarms can be effective.

                On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown
                <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                    I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my
                    equipment yard.  Lost a few things over the years,
                    mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.
                    So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking
                    10’/8’ T post with hog/goat welded wire.
                    Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can
                    get them to fit) with three strands of barbed wire
                    angling outward.
                    Could do shorter.
                    Could do chain link.
                    Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at
                    the top of 6’.
                    Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts
                    cemented in the ground except for the corners.
                    If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link
                    I think.
                    Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
                    Cops say motion activated lights are the best
                    deterrent. Followed by working or not cameras.
                    And I am doing/will do both of these.
                    Opinions please.

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