Le 29/04/2019 à 22:52, Nkansah Rexford a écrit :
Hello Isaac,
> In this year edition alone, about USD 25,000 was spent on the
contest but only 8,983 photos were contributed. Many of them are
either copyright violations or unusable. I don't think this is an
effective way of spending donors fund and regrettably, the attitude of
the organizers does not show they understand the problem.
That's interesting. Was it a year or 2 ago that ~35k$ was requested?
Anyways, I remember there was a discussion to reduce the cost
somewhere, suggested by the WMF grants team.
The grants were then split into 3 or 4 parts, to be funded
individually. Didn't follow up with what they all amounted to.
25k$ is, frankly speaking, still high for an event like WLA. Wiki
Loves Monuments caps under 10k$, the last I checked.
Hi Rex
I would strongly advise not to do any type of comparison between WLA and
WLM to be honest. There are two reasons
1) for WLA, the rapid grant funding some country teams got was more or
less the only funding they get an entire year. So I do hope they took
the opportunity to use this funding to buy stuff that can be also useful
around the year.
2) claiming that WLM cost only 10k dollars is frankly... completely
aside the reality. Most developped european chapters participate to it.
Their funding they dedicate to WLM is counted in their FDC budget, so
you would not see it. They also dedicate staff to run WLM in the
country. And not just a handful of hours.
Example: this is the portal page of WLM in France. Look at pages history.
95% of time on all those organizational pages, you will find Sarah
Krichen WMF <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sarah_Krichen_WMFr>
This is part of her staff time. That is her job... and in France, a
staff at Wikimedia France cost over 50k per year to the mouvement. I am
fairly sure that WLM cost more than 10k euros to the mouvement just in
France, and that's only one country amongst many others.
This comparison is irrelevant.
> This does not in anyway stop any country from organizing a
nationwide photography contest on contents that are not adequately
available for use on Wikimedia projects.
Yep, but the big question is, will the WMF fund such nationwide
photography contest? Heck, will the WMF fund individual grants of
professionals who wanna help in such regards? Frankly speaking, will
the WMF fund?
Until WMF has finalized its 2030 strategy... nothing is certain :)
Florence
cheers,
rexford
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:42 PM Isaac Olatunde
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hello Ingo,
It seems you were completely ignored by the organizers in December
2018. Sadly, this is not a good approach to solving problems.
Let's be honest, the amount of donor's fund and community
resources deployed for this contest does not equate to the value
it's actually adding to bringing knowledge gap in Africa.
In this year edition alone, about USD 25,000 was spent on the
contest but only 8,983 photos were contributed. Many of them are
either copyright violations or unusable. I don't think this is an
effective way of spending donors fund and regrettably, the
attitude of the organizers does not show they understand the problem.
I honestly do not see any reason to continue to deploy donors fund
on Wiki Loves Africa, with no tangle results. This does not in
anyway stop any country from organizing a nationwide photography
contest on contents that are not adequately available for use on
Wikimedia projects.
Regards,
Isaac
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 6:10 PM Ingo Koll <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Dear fellow Wikimedians, dear Florence,
as the Wiki loves Africa 2019 competition is coming to its
close I would like to bring back the question which I raised
already in December 2018:
*1. Do others share my impression that images from the
competition are hardly ever used in wikipedia articles?*
*2. Do others have the impression that the present approach
for Wiki Loves Africa does not help much to close the
knowledge gap about Africa? *
When I posted in December some participants here voiced
interest but wanted to wait for a feedback fom the organizers.
Such a feedback I have not seen. So allow me to repeat some
lines from my first post:
/I was an early fan of the idea of "Wiki Loves Africa" but I
have to confess that my fan status has cooled over time. I
cannot claim to have done a comprehensive reseach but did some
checks here and there.//
////*So I have the impression that
a) the competition has brought a number of really beautiful
photographs
b) the competition has brought lots of images which are not
used anywhere in wikipedia articles (my short checks give me
the impression that could be the case for the vast majority of
images produced)*//
////
//and//*I ask myself if the reason may be that a lot of these
mages is frankly unusable.*//
////
//I remember that prize selected image showing some beautiful
ladies in Massai attire knitting under a tree (the year of
adornment) which was selected in a winner category but is
unusable for any purpose (unless you want to document fake
stereoptypes - the motive was fake...)//
////
//There is a lot of nice looking images which I do not know
how to use because of their not clear labelling, unhelpful
categories and useless explanations. It helps me as author
nothing to see an image and a text like "traditional tools of
Ghana/Malawi/etc". *This is unusable and useless*.//
////
//I write this not from the point of view of a lover of beauty
(my taste is poor) but just simply from the view of a
wikipedia author. I would love to have some thousand images
(not necessarily beautiful) which just show African villages.
We know the criticism about the white spots on the African
maps of knowledge. Villages back home in Germany may have less
than 1000 inhabitants but 3 articles about the village, about
its church and about the sports club. Images are available and
people look for them.//
////
//*I do not want to denigrate Wiki loves Africa but i would
love to hear from others how they see the value of the results
as they have been so far. Why do we do it - what do we get
from it? *//How can images about "play" be useful for closing
the white spaces on the African map of knowledge?/
Cheers, Ingo - "Kipala"
Jenga Wikipedia ya Kiswahili user group
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 6:10 PM Ingo Koll <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Dear fellow Wikimedians, dear Florence,
as the Wiki loves Africa 2019 competition is coming to its
close I would like to bring back the question which I raised
already in December 2018:
*1. Do others share my impression that images from the
competition are hardly ever used in wikipedia articles?*
*2. Do others have the impression that the present approach
for Wiki Loves Africa does not help much to close the
knowledge gap about Africa? *
When I posted in December some participants here voiced
interest but wanted to wait for a feedback fom the organizers.
Such a feedback I have not seen. So allow me to repeat some
lines from my first post:
/I was an early fan of the idea of "Wiki Loves Africa" but I
have to confess that my fan status has cooled over time. I
cannot claim to have done a comprehensive reseach but did some
checks here and there.//
////*So I have the impression that
a) the competition has brought a number of really beautiful
photographs
b) the competition has brought lots of images which are not
used anywhere in wikipedia articles (my short checks give me
the impression that could be the case for the vast majority of
images produced)*//
////
//and//*I ask myself if the reason may be that a lot of these
mages is frankly unusable.*//
////
//I remember that prize selected image showing some beautiful
ladies in Massai attire knitting under a tree (the year of
adornment) which was selected in a winner category but is
unusable for any purpose (unless you want to document fake
stereoptypes - the motive was fake...)//
////
//There is a lot of nice looking images which I do not know
how to use because of their not clear labelling, unhelpful
categories and useless explanations. It helps me as author
nothing to see an image and a text like "traditional tools of
Ghana/Malawi/etc". *This is unusable and useless*.//
////
//I write this not from the point of view of a lover of beauty
(my taste is poor) but just simply from the view of a
wikipedia author. I would love to have some thousand images
(not necessarily beautiful) which just show African villages.
We know the criticism about the white spots on the African
maps of knowledge. Villages back home in Germany may have less
than 1000 inhabitants but 3 articles about the village, about
its church and about the sports club. Images are available and
people look for them.//
////
//*I do not want to denigrate Wiki loves Africa but i would
love to hear from others how they see the value of the results
as they have been so far. Why do we do it - what do we get
from it? *//How can images about "play" be useful for closing
the white spaces on the African map of knowledge?/
Cheers, Ingo - "Kipala"
Jenga Wikipedia ya Kiswahili user group
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