Hello Sir Asaf, I appreciate your concern and I am very much happy you have raised some concerns about the grant I have drafted for the purpose for which it supposed to be used for.
Please I welcome your ideas about how to make this grant a better one since you are an experienced member. Your ideas are welcome Sir. On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 at 10:20 AM, < african-wikimedians-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Send African-Wikimedians mailing list submissions to > african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/african-wikimedians.lists.wikimedia.org/ > > You can reach the person managing the list at > african-wikimedians-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of African-Wikimedians digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Please house I encourage you all to help endorse this project to > make it a reality 😊 https://metaGrants:Project > /Rapid/Amuzujoe/Landscape_photography > (Asaf Bartov) > 2. Re: Please house I encourage you all to help endorse this project to > make it a reality 😊 https://metaGrants:Project > /Rapid/Amuzujoe/Landscape_photography > (runcie chikeruba) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:07:16 +0300 > From: Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> > Subject: [African Wikimedians] Re: Please house I encourage you all to > help endorse this project to make it a reality 😊 > https://metaGrants:Project/Rapid/Amuzujoe/Landscape_photography > To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians > <african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAAmrcwdcfEVpTfC2YQ3LjD1q06ARtEaFGEz= > idzgv-hc0ko...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="0000000000003ad31205cc9102f4" > > I encourage folks to be more thoughtful about endorsing grant proposals. > Only put your name as endorser if you genuinely think the proposal is a > good use of funds to achieve the intended outcome. > > In this case, my opinion is that this is too much money for too little > impact. E.g. printing 20 T-shirts for 100 expected pictures? > > In general, this is a fairly standard volunteer activity (taking landscape > pictures) that should take place with little expenditure. Support for > transportation needs, and perhaps entrance fees and food for the travel > makes sense, but the rest seems to me to be unnecessary. > > For instance, camera rental: it makes sense to encourage photography by > experienced photographers, who generally already have their own gear. If > the plan expects fewer than 20 experienced photographers to attend, then it > should be scaled down to a more realistic number. > > If 20 photographers are supposed to create only 100 photos, meaning an > average of 5 photos per person, it's very low impact per person, and per > dollar. > > I am not a grantmaker (but I used to be one) and have no decision-making > power over this proposal; if I were, I would have rejected this proposal > for the above reasons, and asked Gabriel to rethink his plan and focus on > impact and expenses that support it directly. > > I write this because I think it is improbable that everyone who has already > endorsed the request has read the proposal carefully and given thought to > these questions, so I wanted to demonstrate my own thinking about this > proposal. > > It is one of the signs of a mature community that it is able to tolerate > friendly criticism and saying no to colleagues, rather than automatic > support based on "loyalty" and social connections. Evidence of such > maturity would be necessary for the creation of a significant regional hub, > for instance. > > I am happy to discuss this further, if anyone is interested. > > A. > > On Wed, 22 Sep 2021, 09:00 Gabriel Joe Amuzu <amuzugabriel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Please house I encourage you all to help endorse this project to make it > a > > reality 😊 > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Amuzujoe/Landscape_photography > > > > > > Thank you > > > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:46 PM, < > > african-wikimedians-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > >> Send African-Wikimedians mailing list submissions to > >> african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit > >> > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/african-wikimedians.lists.wikimedia.org/ > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> african-wikimedians-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of African-Wikimedians digest..." > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Registration for Wiki Indaba 2021 is now open (Geoffrey Kateregga) > >> 2. Submission for the digest (Michelle van Gilder) > >> 3. Wiki Indaba 2021 Scholarships applications now open > >> (Geoffrey Kateregga) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 11:47:25 +0300 > >> From: Geoffrey Kateregga <katereg...@gmail.com> > >> Subject: [African Wikimedians] Registration for Wiki Indaba 2021 is > >> now open > >> To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians > >> <african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org> > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> cagf60mt+6m4n59w+-6m0cspaifpx6-vzzy_ntynjjm1yn7r...@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > >> boundary="00000000000083817b05cc411916" > >> > >> Dear Community Members, > >> > >> We are pleased to announce that registration for Wiki Indaba 2021 > >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2021> is now > open. > >> > >> This year’s Wiki Indaba will be hosted by the Wikimedia Community User > >> group Uganda and held virtually between 05 - 07 November 2021 under the > >> theme Rethink + Reset : Visions of the Future. > >> > >> Click on this link to register http://bit.ly/wikiindaba2021 > >> <http://bit.ly/wikiindaba2021> > >> > >> > >> The call for submissions is still open until September 24th, please > submit > >> your session proposal either as a presentation, panel discussion, > >> lightning > >> talk, or workshop before September 24th, 2021 by simply stating the > title > >> of your session and providing a brief description via > >> https://pretalx.com/wiki-indaba-2021/cfp. > >> > >> Please reach out to wikiuga...@gmail.com if you have any questions. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> > >> Geoffrey Kateregga, on behalf of the Wiki Indaba 2021 Local Organizing > >> Committee. > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > >> Name: not available > >> Type: text/html > >> Size: 4222 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 15:44:47 -0400 > >> From: Michelle van Gilder <miche...@theafricanarrative.org> > >> Subject: [African Wikimedians] Submission for the digest > >> To: african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> caj7zctne87bs+tpuoho276s9cah45yupnv+kvyoh44prno8...@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > >> boundary="00000000000047236d05cc728471" > >> > >> Hello – The Africa Narrative submitted a note of introduction several > >> months ago which the African Wikimedian Digest kindly disseminated. I’d > be > >> grateful if you could once again put out a notice on our behalf, this > time > >> in support of our search for a Wikimedian-in-Residence. Thank you very > >> much. > >> > >> > >> Michelle > >> > >> > >> The Africa Narrative (TAN), a non-profit that develops singular, high > >> impact initiatives in support of African creatives and the African > >> cultural > >> and creative industries, is seeking a Wikimedian-in-Residence to be part > >> of > >> an exciting Wikipedia project that TAN is spearheading. The > AfroCreatives > >> Wikiproject aims to support and mobilize creatives and professionals > from > >> the African creative sector, as well as enthusiasts more broadly, to > >> contribute and enhance knowledge on Wikipedia about Africa’s creative > >> economy. Its inaugural effort will target the film sectors of Egypt, > >> Nigeria, Rwanda, and Senegal. > >> > >> > >> > >> We are seeking a dynamic individual with a track record of editing > >> Wikipedia on Africa-related content and with a passion for African arts > >> and > >> culture. The position is remote and can be based anywhere on the > >> continent. Applications will be accepted through October 7th. More > >> information on the role and how to apply can be found here > >> <https://www.theafricanarrative.org/wir-application>. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Michelle van Gilder > >> > >> Founder | Acting Executive Director > >> > >> M: 917-825-7556 > >> > >> O: 202-559-9182 > >> > >> www.theafricanarrative.org > >> > >> The Africa Narrative > >> > >> <http://www.instagram.com/africanarrative> > >> <https://twitter.com/54narratives> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > >> Name: not available > >> Type: text/html > >> Size: 8466 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:45:46 +0300 > >> From: Geoffrey Kateregga <katereg...@gmail.com> > >> Subject: [African Wikimedians] Wiki Indaba 2021 Scholarships > >> applications now open > >> To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians > >> <african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org> > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> cagf60mr4nnvuhxnqts4bd4v9u5zx1q6avwqzzjnoqkzojqt...@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > >> boundary="0000000000000248d605cc819e37" > >> > >> Dear Community members, > >> > >> Transitioning WikiIndaba online this year offers an unparalleled > >> opportunity to expand representation but it also requires participants > to > >> have access to a quality internet connection to meaningfully and fully > >> engage and contribute. > >> > >> THE CONNECTIVITY SCHOLARSHIP > >> < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2021/Scholarships> > >> For Wiki Indaba 2021, the first virtual edition of WikiIndaba Online, we > >> are launching a Connectivity Scholarship to provide direct financial > >> support for participants to connect and engage. > >> > >> Session organizers, speakers, and participants can apply for 2 levels of > >> funding support ($50 USD or $100 USD), which they can use for: > >> > >> - Direct connecting: Purchasing internet data or contributing to the > >> cost of internet access and use; > >> - Support connecting: Travel to access computers and internet points; > >> - Secure connecting: Purchasing privacy screens or VPNs; > >> - Other support: Cost of childcare or other services that enable > active > >> participation. > >> > >> Apply Now > >> > >> You can apply to receive funding by clicking > >> https://bit.ly/wikiindaba2021scholarships The deadline for scholarship > >> applications is October 7, 2021 at 11:59pm EAT. > >> > >> This is the first time a fund of this nature has been offered at Wiki > >> Indaba. We deem it necessary as we transition from the familiarity of > >> in-person conferences of yesteryear to the possibilities we are about > to > >> explore at the online Wiki Indaba 2021. We welcome your questions and > >> feedback. You can reach out to our team by email at > wikiuga...@gmail.com > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> > >> > >> Geoffrey Kateregga, on behalf of the Wiki Indaba 2021 Local Organizing > >> Team > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > >> Name: not available > >> Type: text/html > >> Size: 8650 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> African-Wikimedians mailing list -- > >> african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to > >> african-wikimedians-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of African-Wikimedians Digest, Vol 13, Issue 65 > >> *************************************************** > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > African-Wikimedians mailing list -- > > african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > african-wikimedians-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 15176 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:20:22 +0000 (UTC) > From: runcie chikeruba <runcie...@yahoo.com> > Subject: [African Wikimedians] Re: Please house I encourage you all to > help endorse this project to make it a reality 😊 > https://metaGrants:Project/Rapid/Amuzujoe/Landscape_photography > To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians > <african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: <1336210564.99236.1632306022...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_Part_99235_1573958731.1632306022546" > > Absolutely insightful. > > Do Everything in Love! > Runcie C.W. ChidebeExecutive Director Project PINK BLUE > Health & Psychological Trust Centre (HPTC)t: +234 803 6053 866, +44 774 > 3714 707Alt. email: runcie.chid...@projectpinkblue.org > -Awardee, Global Ties U.S. IVLP Alumni Award for Social Innovation and > Change, USA.-2019 Commonwealth Scholar, Birmingham City University, United > Kingdom.-Alumnus, U.S. Government International Visitor Leadership Program > (IVLP), USA. -2018 Most Impactful Tony Elumelu Entrepreneur > Award.-Catherine Pouget Research Award, Mapi Trust Group, Lyon, > France. -Premier Alumni Award, Department of Social Work, University of > Nigeria. -Academy Scholar, International Psycho-Oncology Society (IPOS)- > World Health Organization (WHO), Kigali, Rwanda. -Young Cancer Leader > Awardee, World Cancer Leaders' Summit, Istanbul, Turkey-Convener, Global > Day of Citizen Action (GDCA) Abuja.-LiveSTRONG Leader by LiveSTRONG > Foundation, Austin, TX, USA.-Tony Elumelu Entrepreneur 2015. > -Green October Humanitarian Award by Lamode Magazine 2015.-Award of > Recognition for contribution to National Development in the Health Sector > 2015.-Winner- Global Shapers Abuja Community I AM BOLD Award, Shape Africa > 2014. > Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, & YouTube Skype: @runcie.chidebe > "Cancer can take away all of my physical abilities, It cannot touch my > mind, it cannot touch my heart, and it cannot touch my soul"- Jim Valvano > Copyright © 2020 Project PINK BLUE, HEALTH & PSYCHOLOGICAL TRUST CENTRE > (HPTC), All rights reserved. P.O. Box 14819 Zone 3, Wuse, 900001, Abuja, > Nigeria. > > On Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 09:22:18 AM GMT+1, Asaf Bartov < > abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > I encourage folks to be more thoughtful about endorsing grant proposals. > Only put your name as endorser if you genuinely think the proposal is a > good use of funds to achieve the intended outcome. > In this case, my opinion is that this is too much money for too little > impact. E.g. printing 20 T-shirts for 100 expected pictures? > In general, this is a fairly standard volunteer activity (taking landscape > pictures) that should take place with little expenditure. Support for > transportation needs, and perhaps entrance fees and food for the travel > makes sense, but the rest seems to me to be unnecessary. > For instance, camera rental: it makes sense to encourage photography by > experienced photographers, who generally already have their own gear. If > the plan expects fewer than 20 experienced photographers to attend, then it > should be scaled down to a more realistic number. > If 20 photographers are supposed to create only 100 photos, meaning an > average of 5 photos per person, it's very low impact per person, and per > dollar. > I am not a grantmaker (but I used to be one) and have no decision-making > power over this proposal; if I were, I would have rejected this proposal > for the above reasons, and asked Gabriel to rethink his plan and focus on > impact and expenses that support it directly. > I write this because I think it is improbable that everyone who has > already endorsed the request has read the proposal carefully and given > thought to these questions, so I wanted to demonstrate my own thinking > about this proposal. > It is one of the signs of a mature community that it is able to tolerate > friendly criticism and saying no to colleagues, rather than automatic > support based on "loyalty" and social connections. Evidence of such > maturity would be necessary for the creation of a significant regional hub, > for instance. > I am happy to discuss this further, if anyone is interested. > A. > On Wed, 22 Sep 2021, 09:00 Gabriel Joe Amuzu <amuzugabriel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Please house I encourage you all to help endorse this project to make it a > reality 😊 > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Amuzujoe/Landscape_photography > > > > > Thank you > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 at 1:46 PM, < > african-wikimedians-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > > Send African-Wikimedians mailing list submissions to > african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/african-wikimedians.lists.wikimedia.org/ > > You can reach the person managing the list at > african-wikimedians-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of African-Wikimedians digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Registration for Wiki Indaba 2021 is now open (Geoffrey Kateregga) > 2. Submission for the digest (Michelle van Gilder) > 3. Wiki Indaba 2021 Scholarships applications now open > (Geoffrey Kateregga) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 11:47:25 +0300 > From: Geoffrey Kateregga <katereg...@gmail.com> > Subject: [African Wikimedians] Registration for Wiki Indaba 2021 is > now open > To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians > <african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > < > cagf60mt+6m4n59w+-6m0cspaifpx6-vzzy_ntynjjm1yn7r...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="00000000000083817b05cc411916" > > Dear Community Members, > > We are pleased to announce that registration for Wiki Indaba 2021 > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2021> is now open. > > This year’s Wiki Indaba will be hosted by the Wikimedia Community User > group Uganda and held virtually between 05 - 07 November 2021 under the > theme Rethink + Reset : Visions of the Future. > > Click on this link to register http://bit.ly/wikiindaba2021 > <http://bit.ly/wikiindaba2021> > > > The call for submissions is still open until September 24th, please submit > your session proposal either as a presentation, panel discussion, lightning > talk, or workshop before September 24th, 2021 by simply stating the title > of your session and providing a brief description via > https://pretalx.com/wiki-indaba-2021/cfp. > > Please reach out to wikiuga...@gmail.com if you have any questions. > > > Regards, > > > Geoffrey Kateregga, on behalf of the Wiki Indaba 2021 Local Organizing > Committee. > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 4222 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 15:44:47 -0400 > From: Michelle van Gilder <miche...@theafricanarrative.org> > Subject: [African Wikimedians] Submission for the digest > To: african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > Message-ID: > < > caj7zctne87bs+tpuoho276s9cah45yupnv+kvyoh44prno8...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="00000000000047236d05cc728471" > > Hello – The Africa Narrative submitted a note of introduction several > months ago which the African Wikimedian Digest kindly disseminated. I’d be > grateful if you could once again put out a notice on our behalf, this time > in support of our search for a Wikimedian-in-Residence. Thank you very > much. > > > Michelle > > > The Africa Narrative (TAN), a non-profit that develops singular, high > impact initiatives in support of African creatives and the African cultural > and creative industries, is seeking a Wikimedian-in-Residence to be part of > an exciting Wikipedia project that TAN is spearheading. The AfroCreatives > Wikiproject aims to support and mobilize creatives and professionals from > the African creative sector, as well as enthusiasts more broadly, to > contribute and enhance knowledge on Wikipedia about Africa’s creative > economy. Its inaugural effort will target the film sectors of Egypt, > Nigeria, Rwanda, and Senegal. > > > > We are seeking a dynamic individual with a track record of editing > Wikipedia on Africa-related content and with a passion for African arts and > culture. The position is remote and can be based anywhere on the > continent. Applications will be accepted through October 7th. More > information on the role and how to apply can be found here > <https://www.theafricanarrative.org/wir-application>. > > > > > > > > Michelle van Gilder > > Founder | Acting Executive Director > > M: 917-825-7556 > > O: 202-559-9182 > > www.theafricanarrative.org > > The Africa Narrative > > <http://www.instagram.com/africanarrative> > <https://twitter.com/54narratives> > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 8466 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:45:46 +0300 > From: Geoffrey Kateregga <katereg...@gmail.com> > Subject: [African Wikimedians] Wiki Indaba 2021 Scholarships > applications now open > To: Mailing list for African Wikimedians > <african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > < > cagf60mr4nnvuhxnqts4bd4v9u5zx1q6avwqzzjnoqkzojqt...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="0000000000000248d605cc819e37" > > Dear Community members, > > Transitioning WikiIndaba online this year offers an unparalleled > opportunity to expand representation but it also requires participants to > have access to a quality internet connection to meaningfully and fully > engage and contribute. > > THE CONNECTIVITY SCHOLARSHIP > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2021/Scholarships> > For Wiki Indaba 2021, the first virtual edition of WikiIndaba Online, we > are launching a Connectivity Scholarship to provide direct financial > support for participants to connect and engage. > > Session organizers, speakers, and participants can apply for 2 levels of > funding support ($50 USD or $100 USD), which they can use for: > > - Direct connecting: Purchasing internet data or contributing to the > cost of internet access and use; > - Support connecting: Travel to access computers and internet points; > - Secure connecting: Purchasing privacy screens or VPNs; > - Other support: Cost of childcare or other services that enable active > participation. > > Apply Now > > You can apply to receive funding by clicking > https://bit.ly/wikiindaba2021scholarships The deadline for scholarship > applications is October 7, 2021 at 11:59pm EAT. > > This is the first time a fund of this nature has been offered at Wiki > Indaba. We deem it necessary as we transition from the familiarity of > in-person conferences of yesteryear to the possibilities we are about to > explore at the online Wiki Indaba 2021. We welcome your questions and > feedback. You can reach out to our team by email at wikiuga...@gmail.com > > Kind regards, > > > Geoffrey Kateregga, on behalf of the Wiki Indaba 2021 Local Organizing Team > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 8650 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > African-Wikimedians mailing list -- > african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > african-wikimedians-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of African-Wikimedians Digest, Vol 13, Issue 65 > *************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > African-Wikimedians mailing list -- > african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > african-wikimedians-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > African-Wikimedians mailing list -- > african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > african-wikimedians-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 28158 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > African-Wikimedians mailing list -- > african-wikimedians@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > african-wikimedians-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of African-Wikimedians Digest, Vol 13, Issue 67 > *************************************************** >
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