I think there is nothing wrong in switching erring government off, it will amount to making a statement, for at least signify action​ for going against set norm, which may motivate CSO and citizens to know they are not alone.
On 1 May 2017 10:40, <[email protected]> wrote: Send AfrICANN mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AfrICANN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet shutdown (Christopher Momanyi) 2. Re: Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet shutdown (waudo siganga) 3. Re: Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet shutdown (Noah) 4. Re: Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet shutdown (Badru Ntege) 5. Re: Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet shutdown (Badru Ntege) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 17:58:57 +0300 From: Christopher Momanyi <[email protected]> To: AfrICANN list <[email protected]> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet shutdown Message-ID: <CAN0bA5T0kyDOFb4fhE0OcqAh9=iizptz32fhxgjcxosczqo...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I found this interesting http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3908658-2snvkpz/index.html Regards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/africann/ attachments/20170430/16c300ed/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:46:06 +0300 From: waudo siganga <[email protected]> To: Christopher Momanyi <[email protected]>, AfrICANN list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet shutdown Message-ID: <1493574366.3540166.961064400.28314...@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'm not sure how tit-for-tat will work. Secondly, how do you technically identify the addresses being used by government; even if you block all addresses assigned to .go.ke domains for example, you will be surprised many government departments run their mail on yahoo, etc. Any attempt at switching off government is just like throwing stones at a beehive. Also one has to take into account the impact on wananchi who rely on government online services. This is a typical case of "there is a problem, do something, anything. Because doing nothing you will be damned". I prefer the CS suggestion of dialogue on such issues rather than switching off government networks in retaliation. W. On Sun, Apr 30, 2017, at 05:58 PM, Christopher Momanyi wrote: > I found this interesting > > http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3908658-2snvkpz/index.html > > Regards> _________________________________________________ > AfrICANN mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/africann/ attachments/20170430/396aedbb/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:33:33 +0300 From: Noah <[email protected]> To: AfrICANN list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet shutdown Message-ID: <caeqgtwyhhtrqo6gpm8xb8cnwo6tfxv7ipz88ysbt0tpeyr0...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Some policies are just a waste of time... On 30 Apr 2017 8:53 p.m., "waudo siganga" <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure how tit-for-tat will work. Secondly, how do you technically > identify the addresses being used by government; even if you block all > addresses assigned to .go.ke domains for example, you will be surprised > many government departments run their mail on yahoo, etc. Any attempt at > switching off government is just like throwing stones at a bee > hive. Also one has to take into account the impact on wananchi who rely on > government online services. This is a typical case of "there is a problem, > do something, anything. Because doing nothing you will be damned". I prefer > the CS suggestion of dialogue on such issues rather than switching off > government networks in retaliation. > > W. > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2017, at 05:58 PM, Christopher Momanyi wrote: > > I found this interesting > > http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3908658-2snvkpz/index.html > > Regards > *_______________________________________________* > AfrICANN mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann > > > _______________________________________________ > AfrICANN mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/africann/ attachments/20170430/2dcf7873/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:48:11 +0300 From: Badru Ntege <[email protected]> To: AfrICANN Community List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet shutdown Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Unintended consequences of the Bottom up process, anyone can come up with an idea as baseless as it may be it goes through the peer review process, which hopefully will be rejected by the community since it does not make sense. The problem is while it has life going through the process those not aware of the policy development process can think it is how the community is thinking since at time the promoters might choose to use external avenues for publicity reasons. We can never plug all these avenues that can bring disrepute to our AfriNIC community, Nor can we normalize members intent. However I note the Cabinet secretary?s disappointment that the authors are from his juristiction. I want to also add the disappointment that the authors are supposed to have been well versed with the mandate and responsibility of an organization like AfriNIC. They are also office bearers or have stood to become office bearers in the past. As a community we need to be very active in selecting who we hand the mantle to lead our organization that opportunity comes up once every year in the AGM that will be held in Nairobi next month. I urge members to be active, we cannot control much what individual members propose but when we have office bearers and prospective bearers pushing individual or commercial agendas as the article seems to denote we need to keep those members away from holding any AfriNIC office. The future of our next generation cannot be left in those pushing self interest to the point of opening a battlefront with our African Governments. Badru Ntege On 4/30/17, 11:33 PM, "Noah" <[email protected]> wrote: Some policies are just a waste of time... On 30 Apr 2017 8:53 p.m., "waudo siganga" <[email protected]> wrote: I'm not sure how tit-for-tat will work. Secondly, how do you technically identify the addresses being used by government; even if you block all addresses assigned to .go.ke domains for example, you will be surprised many government departments run their mail on yahoo, etc. Any attempt at switching off government is just like throwing stones at a bee hive. Also one has to take into account the impact on wananchi who rely on government online services. This is a typical case of "there is a problem, do something, anything. Because doing nothing you will be damned". I prefer the CS suggestion of dialogue on such issues rather than switching off government networks in retaliation. W. On Sun, Apr 30, 2017, at 05:58 PM, Christopher Momanyi wrote: I found this interesting http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3908658-2snvkpz/index.html Regards _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list [email protected] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list [email protected] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list [email protected] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/africann/ attachments/20170501/f1b982f1/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:48:11 +0300 From: Badru Ntege <[email protected]> To: AfrICANN Community List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Ref: Kenya rejects bid to punish States for internet shutdown Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Unintended consequences of the Bottom up process, anyone can come up with an idea as baseless as it may be it goes through the peer review process, which hopefully will be rejected by the community since it does not make sense. The problem is while it has life going through the process those not aware of the policy development process can think it is how the community is thinking since at time the promoters might choose to use external avenues for publicity reasons. We can never plug all these avenues that can bring disrepute to our AfriNIC community, Nor can we normalize members intent. However I note the Cabinet secretary?s disappointment that the authors are from his juristiction. I want to also add the disappointment that the authors are supposed to have been well versed with the mandate and responsibility of an organization like AfriNIC. They are also office bearers or have stood to become office bearers in the past. As a community we need to be very active in selecting who we hand the mantle to lead our organization that opportunity comes up once every year in the AGM that will be held in Nairobi next month. I urge members to be active, we cannot control much what individual members propose but when we have office bearers and prospective bearers pushing individual or commercial agendas as the article seems to denote we need to keep those members away from holding any AfriNIC office. The future of our next generation cannot be left in those pushing self interest to the point of opening a battlefront with our African Governments. Badru Ntege On 4/30/17, 11:33 PM, "Noah" <[email protected]> wrote: Some policies are just a waste of time... On 30 Apr 2017 8:53 p.m., "waudo siganga" <[email protected]> wrote: I'm not sure how tit-for-tat will work. Secondly, how do you technically identify the addresses being used by government; even if you block all addresses assigned to .go.ke domains for example, you will be surprised many government departments run their mail on yahoo, etc. Any attempt at switching off government is just like throwing stones at a bee hive. Also one has to take into account the impact on wananchi who rely on government online services. This is a typical case of "there is a problem, do something, anything. Because doing nothing you will be damned". I prefer the CS suggestion of dialogue on such issues rather than switching off government networks in retaliation. W. On Sun, Apr 30, 2017, at 05:58 PM, Christopher Momanyi wrote: I found this interesting http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3908658-2snvkpz/index.html Regards _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list [email protected] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list [email protected] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list [email protected] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/africann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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