> My Java mind Hold on! What? *I* am making a Java mind. Where's your source? Mine is here: http://tinybrain.de/1016060
Stefan MP via AGI <[email protected]> schrieb am Di., 5. Juni 2018 19:03: > John, I definitely feel the same way about the massive obscurities. I even > tried muddling through his diagrams and explanations to no avail. What I > was able to do is port his ungodly bizarre code to java - literally copying > and pasting with a few syntax tweaks - and got it running... somewhat. I > still don’t even know where to begin to really "get" what’s going on. > > My Java "mind" can "say" a few things before crapping out on me. What bugs > me the most is the EnBoot module. A ton of direct variable assignments are > made, and I don’t get why certain values were chosen... > > It’s a nightmare that runs on internet explorer. But it’s something. > > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:14 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Arthur, > > Every time you start posting about your "AI Mind" app I briefly go and > look at the JS source, "View page source" from the web browser, and here > are a few thoughts (after working with thousands of source codes over the > years, and instead of me just saying "If there were an example of how not > to write an AI app this would be it"): > > 1. Ancient source code started when variable names were required to be > short due to memory constraints, programmer laziness, and/or unprofessional > selfishness. > > 2. App code has never been truly refined out of small memory constraints. > > 3. Code is intentionally obscure to hide non-understandings but provide a > sense of security to author and others by representing "something" > abstractly. > > 4. Obscure code to deceive readers - or - honestly and unintentionally > hiding the misunderstood complexity of subject by making a first-person > reasonable effort at understanding but unprovably failing. > > 5. Code probably cannot be clearly rewritten since there are obscured > forgotten memories of misunderstood concepts though somewhat indexed by > dates as comments. > > 6. All these things encrusted over time... layer after layer... often > hosted as a talking point, a reference point for similar related > limitations. > > 7. - OR - with very low probability, there is real genius hidden in said > code, loops and loops of abstract recursive representations, the most > advanced chat-bot ever created... but I have not the time or energy to > investigate further as I assume few have, perhaps another intention of said > app is to wear out the seeker of such truths? I cannot rule-out that this > app is actually towards some really great AI but unfortunately it looks > like the opposite and is childishly underpowered and frivolously > incomplete. > > > But there is some sort of novelty to this I suppose. > > If there were a museum of coding oddities this would definitely be top 10. > > IMO the code one writes is a reflection of oneself, a projection of sort. > "AI Mind" is more about you Arthur, your mind over time, and much is > revealed. > > So, you can imagine if an AGI were to attempt to kludgely hack out some > representation of a mind in similar circumstance what would it "hide", > limit, and represent at the same time? What would it look like? > > Note JavaScript and JavaScript AI is becoming increasingly advanced. For > example, see FAQ auto-creators, bot builders, etc. that use JS and > Typescript is a very powerful abstraction of JS that is surprisingly > becoming widely adopted... > > John > > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T7d4ef049c1079ece-M1723b88611b1c44a3fd46b7e> > Am 05.06.2018 19:03 schrieb "MP via AGI" <[email protected]>: John, I definitely feel the same way about the massive obscurities. I even tried muddling through his diagrams and explanations to no avail. What I was able to do is port his ungodly bizarre code to java - literally copying and pasting with a few syntax tweaks - and got it running... somewhat. I still don’t even know where to begin to really "get" what’s going on. My Java "mind" can "say" a few things before crapping out on me. What bugs me the most is the EnBoot module. A ton of direct variable assignments are made, and I don’t get why certain values were chosen... It’s a nightmare that runs on internet explorer. But it’s something. Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:14 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: Arthur, Every time you start posting about your "AI Mind" app I briefly go and look at the JS source, "View page source" from the web browser, and here are a few thoughts (after working with thousands of source codes over the years, and instead of me just saying "If there were an example of how not to write an AI app this would be it"): 1. Ancient source code started when variable names were required to be short due to memory constraints, programmer laziness, and/or unprofessional selfishness. 2. App code has never been truly refined out of small memory constraints. 3. Code is intentionally obscure to hide non-understandings but provide a sense of security to author and others by representing "something" abstractly. 4. Obscure code to deceive readers - or - honestly and unintentionally hiding the misunderstood complexity of subject by making a first-person reasonable effort at understanding but unprovably failing. 5. Code probably cannot be clearly rewritten since there are obscured forgotten memories of misunderstood concepts though somewhat indexed by dates as comments. 6. All these things encrusted over time... layer after layer... often hosted as a talking point, a reference point for similar related limitations. 7. - OR - with very low probability, there is real genius hidden in said code, loops and loops of abstract recursive representations, the most advanced chat-bot ever created... but I have not the time or energy to investigate further as I assume few have, perhaps another intention of said app is to wear out the seeker of such truths? I cannot rule-out that this app is actually towards some really great AI but unfortunately it looks like the opposite and is childishly underpowered and frivolously incomplete. But there is some sort of novelty to this I suppose. If there were a museum of coding oddities this would definitely be top 10. IMO the code one writes is a reflection of oneself, a projection of sort. "AI Mind" is more about you Arthur, your mind over time, and much is revealed. So, you can imagine if an AGI were to attempt to kludgely hack out some representation of a mind in similar circumstance what would it "hide", limit, and represent at the same time? What would it look like? Note JavaScript and JavaScript AI is becoming increasingly advanced. For example, see FAQ auto-creators, bot builders, etc. that use JS and Typescript is a very powerful abstraction of JS that is surprisingly becoming widely adopted... 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