Colin, In 1950, Turing claimed that computers could be programmed for intelligence. He carefully defined intelligence to mean that when a person communicated with it via a text only channel, that person could not distinguish it from another person. He also carefully defined what he meant by a computer, which is a device that executes instructions stored in a memory array (the Von Neumann architecture). He did not claim that the brain is a computer. (Clearly it is not). He did address a number of objections to his claim that computers could be intelligent.
His paper is worth reading. His prediction of computers having 10^9 bits of memory in 2000 (long before Moore's law) is remarkably accurate. https://www.csee.umbc.edu/courses/471/papers/turing.pdf Do you agree with Turing that AI is possible using a computer, or do you agree with Penrose that the human brain does things that no computer could ever do? What experiments do you propose to do to answer this question? On Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 7:52 PM Colin Hales <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu., 27 Jun. 2019, 5:47 am Mike Archbold, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Probably what most people mean by computer is roughly the usual common >> sense digital or perhaps quantum computer. There are also theoretical >> hypercomputers. I guess I would define computer simply as something >> that follows the usual form: >> >> input -- function -- output >> >> Input and output might be feedback oriented -- the output is part of >> the input. Or, there may be no output. Maybe a computer just inputs >> and makes a computation. I think the only hard requirement is that >> there is some kind of function happening based upon the input and >> there will almost certainly be output. >> >> So, I my opinion is a brain qualifies as a computer -- under the >> looser definition. >> >> Mike A >> >> _------- > > > Ok. Here's the problem. This is science. With respect, opinion is > irrelevant. I'm trying to get the science that proves it sorted out in a > manner that computer science understands. Perhaps then computer science may > then see the problem better and understand it is in its interest to get the > science done properly. > > Perhaps see the dialog with Matt, where the narrative seems to be taking > shape. > > Cheers > Colin > > > > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T87761d322a3126b1-Md58df30054db6a8b4e108775> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T87761d322a3126b1-Mad952e9563e230d7e0a09a78 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
