Okay, let's consider the impact of non-standard models of physics. Let's first stay away from holographic universe physics, not because it is necessarily wrong, only because it's incomprehensible and doesn't seem to be practically relevant.

All critters appear to be built according to classical mechanical rules so we will stay in that domain.

But how does mechanics work?

Well, everything is made of particle-waves that interract with each other by exchanging wave-particles. When you reach over to grab something, the electric fields around the atoms in your philanges repel the electric fields around the atoms in the object and you have the sensation of touching it. The physical force comes from the hundreds of millions or even billions of such interractions occouring over even a relatively small contact area.

There are two fundamental types of interractions. When two or more particle-waves come into proximity with each other in space-time their respective fields (one of the fundamental force field like the electrical charge) come into contact with each other and they start interracting by exchanging wave-particles. This can be thought of as an interference pattern between two wave generators.

You can also, of course, stimulate a substance to emit wave-particles, ie photons. These wave particles do not experience time, they represent a simultaneous interraction between the source and the eventual receiver, even if that receiver is a million lightyears away.

As the Doctor explained, time is not fixed, it's not linear, it's made up of wibbly wobbly timey-wimey stuff.

It appears to move forward because of laws of information theory and entropy. Time can be approximated as a vibration or oscillation that allows other things to move. This is a brainfuck because our conventional language universally conceives things in time, and cannot contemplate time itself as a variable.

Double slit experiments show that quantum states really do settle themselves in what classic physics would denounce as retrocausal. It is our systems of logic that prevent us from really exploring how these things really work?

Experiments do exist which demonstrate that retro-causal signals do exist, about 12 db below the causal signal. Scientists refuse to acknowledge the existance of such signals because it fucks with their conventional notions of causality and basically drives them crazy, so mostly to preserve their own sanity people pretend we live in a purely causal world. Not to mention that any technology that could signal retro-causally could be used to syphon the entire stock market like GROK.

So do we have to re-do all of science and technology just to get to AGI??? PROBABLY NOT!!!?? I'm pretty sure that we can build a perfectly reasonable AGI, it won't exhibit precognition or any of the possible effects of retrocausality in human cognition but it almost certainly be made to work and then be directed to fix science and technology and then re-build itself with the new understandings, but the bottom line is that the least expensive, or rather the only feasible, way of going about this is to assume the technology we have is Good Enough and to do our best to use it.

I won't blame you if you go off and try to re-invent science for the sake of syphoning the stock market like GROK, hey! those guys deserve it, but at least take it off list because it's almost certainly not on the critical path to getting to AGI.

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