steve:
no, the 1% is actually related to hospitalization and risk of death, afaik
(hi, im a long-time lurker on this list)
my friend who is immuno-compromised suffered from covid-19 in february and
lost about 30% of his already-reduced (emphyzema, lifelong smoker in his
50s) but survived and was never hospitalized for iirc because the doctors
werent looking for covid so they sent him home with treatments for some
kind of pneumonia-related thing (a fair diagnosis at the time since he had
been on a months-long run of recurring pneumonia at that time)
even people who do not go on a ventilator or end up in an icu bed
(including non-immuno-compromised folks in their 20s and 30s, fyi) are
seeing effects from covid like:
strokes
massive blood vessel damage ("covid toes")
permanent loss of lung capacity
as well, blowing the number up to a global scale and then dismissing the
effects is silly to me because different nations (as arbitrary as nation
borders are) are handling this differently. u can check the daily WHO
sitreps if you want the latest data, the u.s. is doing very poorly.
as well, data collection methodogy is opaque in my state and, as you hinted
with your estimate of there being 10 times more cases than we know about,
it's likely very innacurate.
as well, how do caes like my friend fit into the statistics when he did not
receive his covid diagnosis, even after surviving it, until like late april?
how will we ever know without contact tracing (not saying im in support of
that, from a surveillance perspective)?
as well, in places where the disease is not handled well, death rates can
range up to 5-6%!
since the u.s.'s reported caseload is still climbing, too, it's hard to say
(and meaningless to americans) that "only" .1% of the population is
critically affected by this disease.
maybe it is lucky for the world that american powers fucked over their
working class by exporting manufacturing to other countries in the pursuit
of ever-cheaper labor since a disruption to america now mostly looks like a
shockwave from economic uncertainty (already passed that point for the
covid recession, imo, months ago around when oil futures dipped 200%
overnight XD)
but of course, from a global perspective most places are handling it well,
it seems, and there is international co-operation on building vaccines and
other treatments, so hopefully you are correct and only 700k people are,
globally, "seriously affected" by it (700k is rough estimate based on .1%
of the world population, let me know if my mental math is wrong!!)
so maybe i just have an amero-centric point of view (which would make sense
as i was raised american in america)
...
alan, i did not read most of your post since you talked about "the left"
running amok, when it is actually right wing militia-style groups who pose
the most danger imo, being that they have both the tacit and explicit
approval of the police, the president (imo, anyway), and other officials
such as a school board director near me, at least one property developer in
town, the local white supremacist groups (one of them helped organize a
recent "patriot rally" at our state capitol, which was most a militia
recruiting drive featuring speeches about the divine nature of america and
how trump is necessary to uplift the american people out of darkness in
order to align more closely with god's plan (i am paraphrasing, but not
exaggerating)
as well, members of the milita have even been posting publicly on fb about
desiring to "shoot to kill" at an upcoming BLM protest in my town, but
obviously the cops dgaf
but i really dont care about debating this on an AGI forum, so that is all
i will say on that, i guess.
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> So that means, with the real (non-tested) number of cases being probably
> at least 10 or maybe 100 times higher, the virus is actually dangerous only
> to .01% to .1% of all humans?
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