I mean -- Better AGI-oriented trolling than QAnon mania right? ;'D On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 2:42 PM Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > And yes, Matt Mahoney is trolling me like he commonly does, I've > gotten used to it... of course I respond to his trolling not for his > own delectation (I don't delude myself that anything I say is going to > influence his perspective significantly) but for others in the > audience who may be interested and with a more open-minded perspective > ;) ... > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 2:40 PM Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thanks John. I am working now on another paper that makes clearer > > how the Patterns of Cognition material fits into an overall theory and > > practice of general intelligence. > > > > The paragraph you highlight is a critical one, yeah. Just as the > > hierarchical structures in current deep NNs are only approximately > > what you want for modeling patterns in physical reality -- yet are > > still quite useful -- similarly metagraph folds/unfolds are only > > approximately what you want for modeling abstractions needed for > > practical transfer learning and generalization -- yet are still quite > > useful... General cognition is just going to be super-slow and > > cumbersome by nature, so practical AGI systems need to involve > > subsystems operating on varying levels of generality, appropriately > > optimized in ways that exploit their limitations... > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 2:15 PM John Rose <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Anyone who has worked on large complex software engineering projects, > > > especially AGI which tops them all knows about redesigns/rewrites. It's a > > > good sign actually. And it's a form of RSI. > > > > > > The way to grok this paper, the way I approach it is to scan it back and > > > forth many times then imagine the graphs in your mind, visualize the > > > hypergraphs, metagraphs, operations, inference, learning, mining, > > > attention, then folding and then Galois Connections. I don't fully > > > comprehend all aspects but I know Ben has unique perspective on > > > designing and building these things so I at least make the effort. > > > Hijacking the message thread to ask why it ain't it done yet is really > > > being a troll, is annoying and disrespectful IMO. > > > > > > This here I find interesting, it's a decision based on much experience > > > apparently: > > > > > > "Because AGI systems necessarily involve dynamic updating of the > > > knowledge base > > > on which cognitive algorithms are acting, in the course of the cognitive > > > algorithm’s > > > activity, there is an unavoidable heuristic aspect to the application of > > > the theory given > > > here to real AGI systems. The equivalence of a recursively defined DDS on > > > a metagraph > > > to a folding and unfolding process across that metagraph only holds > > > rigorously if one > > > assumes the metagraph is not changing during the folding - which will not > > > generally be > > > the case. What needs to happen in practice, I suggest, is that the > > > folding and unfolding > > > happen and they do change the metagraph, and one then has a complex > > > self-organizing / > > > self-modifying system that is only moderately well approximated by the > > > idealized case > > > directly addressed by the theory presented here." > > > > > > There's a tradeoff between fidelity and implementable practicality it > > > seems. Go for the low hanging fruit. > > > > > > John > > > > > > Artificial General Intelligence List / AGI / see discussions + > > > participants + delivery options Permalink > > > > > > > > -- > > Ben Goertzel, PhD > > http://goertzel.org > > > > “He not busy being born is busy dying" -- Bob Dylan > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > “He not busy being born is busy dying" -- Bob Dylan
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