On Thursday, May 27, 2021, at 5:52 AM, John Rose wrote:
> I would consider OCR (Optical Character Recognition) as a compression. The 
> characters extracted are lossless and the noise and background is lossily 
> compressed out.
Yes but... The compression of text in the Hutter Prize or LTBC is measuring the 
intelligence i.e. the pattern finding ability. Recognizing letters on a screen, 
then storing them, and compressing them, while dumping the images, is same as 
the contest goal....... but your contest idea and the HP/LTCB don't ask vision 
to be compressed !, so there's no need to use it in the "test" for an AI. --- 
If you do want to use images, you need to compress the images. If no images, no 
compress images, and no images either are needed. The only goal is to compress, 
and preferably quickly with little memory (HDD, RAM, Cache) 
used........................You might say but yes let's use optical 
recognition, see if they can *Decompress the same text, if they can't then they 
failed image recognition, you can throw away the images and no compress them. 
Well, what if you decompress but the compression sucked or is half there, is 
the problem text compression or image recognition and by how much error? You 
can't test the image recognition error size because you asked us not to 
compress/test the AI's ability to recognize patterns in images. If you fail to 
recognize a visual letter, it would affect the next nearby predictions of the 
next *Text, so you'll get a large file (since you still know the next letter, 
simply are trying to use the AI so not to store it in full), or big error if 
use Perplexity evaluation, and we can't tell if this is because the prediction 
for the text context was poor or because some the letters were not received 
well and had half or no context and was simply guessing at best or storing in 
full the next letter 0 compression gain. In short, vision recognition would 
affect the text prediction score, but you would need to include vision 
recognition error, because you wouldn't be able to know if your poor text 
predictions were based on texts AI or vision AI abilities.
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