On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 2:47 PM Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...I mean observer dependent information... > Such intersubjectivity recursively bottoms out in the lone subject who receives "data" through a provenance chain involving other "observers" some of whom are "which": measurement instruments. This is why I'm so insistent that the AIT folks get on with formalizing forensic epistemology -- including, ultimately -- game theory. This can start with something as simple as an agent self-diagnosing a faulty measurement instrument that delivers observations -- knowledge in the sense you mean. Until this happens, I'm afraid all of the efforts at "ethics" in AGI are ill founded. > , not probability in the absolute sense of Kolmogorov or Solomonoff > induction. By that, I mean if I flip a coin and peek at it, the probability > of heads is different for you than for me. I am counting bits that must be > transferred from carbon to silicon through slow channels made of human > flesh. > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2024, 10:52 AM James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 2:26 PM Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> As I explained in my 2013 paper ( https://mattmahoney.net/costofai.pdf >> >> >> The closest you come to a rigorous definition of "knowledge" is Table 2. >> It would be helpful to be more careful in using that term in statements >> such as: >> >> "Third, it is fundamentally impossible for a program to increase its own >> knowledge ..." >> >> For example, Newtonian mechanics can *compute* "knowledge" derived from >> collective behaviors like fluid mechanics, without a reductio ad absurdum >> of a computer the size of the universe. >> > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + > delivery options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> > Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T11c1e7172d92d3cd-M46b6f23c89a47f9d82f017e3> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T11c1e7172d92d3cd-Mbb84e96510b3e2de8474f77d Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
