Mike,

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote:

> **
> Steve,
>
> Like all such discussions you initiate, this is pointless, isn't it?
>

My mini-goal at this moment is just to spread the word.  Wild incredible
unexpected success might be being invited to make presentations at
appropriate conferences. Like early microcomputers, nothing is going to
happen until the basic concepts become generally known. As much as science
WILL need a diagrammer to continue, people just don't now see their
roadblocks clearly enough to fund such an effort.

So, no, I don't see the discussion as pointless, though I agree that these
discussions are NOT going to result in any near term funding of any sort,.

> Is there anyone in this group or affiliates who is sufficiently creatively
> and entrepreneurially developed to lead or make a successful AGI (or big
> narrow AI) project?  You seen any young (or middle-aged) Bill Gates' or
> Wozniaks around?  Perhaps Voss is a reasonable entrepreneur (I can't judge)
> but not sufficiently creative. Anyone else?
>

No comment.

>  Nobody in these discussions applies any creative psychology  (i.e
> psychology of how creatively and intellectually developed people are) - and
> you have to, if you want to achieve things and have successful
> partnerships..
>

I am not sure what metalevel your thinking is at here, e.g. do you think I
should:

1.  change my present strategy of talking and waiting?
2.  give up here and move on to other venues?
3.  try to put a startup together despite the present situation?
4.  stop wasting my time and work on something more productive?
5.  come up with better alternatives?

On  side note, I suspect that LOTS of people are distancing themselves from
AGI while carefully watching what is going on, because they see the same
sorts of roadblocks that I see, and don't want their careers to be
destroyed by them. As a result, efforts to exclude "insurance bets" like
mine will continue to greatly restrict the AGI ranks. Not promoting such
efforts seems grossly suicidal to AGI on three levels:

1.  The actual future capability to eliminate roadblocks.
2.  The perceived future capability to eliminate roadblocks, needed to
solicit significant funding.
3.  Greatly lengthens the time between perceiving the immediate need, and
satisfying that need. AGI may survive this gap, but it will probably
bankrupt everyone involved in AGI.

As  result, I hereby proclaim that AGI has NO effective leadership, because
effective leadership would quickly attend to such "details". Oh, *NOW* I
see your point. about these discussions being pointless.  8-:D>

Steve



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