Reverse engineering the neurons first. On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Sergio Pissanetzky <[email protected] > wrote:
> The bottom-up approach being what?**** > > ** ** > > Sergio**** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:10 AM > > *To:* AGI > *Subject:* Re: [agi] LM741**** > > ** ** > > I have no doubt that *eventually* they will get to that. (Numenta's > technology is one approach to that -- not that it necessarily works, since > I haven't personally used it, but failures are usually encountered on the > road to success.) But because of the potentially long road ahead for such > research, and likely much wasted time dealing with what I would call the > "operating system" of the brain as opposed to the important parts of the > "program", I find it more probable that the top-down approach to reverse > engineering the mind will beat the bottom-up approach to the punch. > > > **** > ------------------------------ > > On Aug 29, 2012 8:39 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: ** > ** > > Surely, the key thing is we still don’t understand the ‘engram’ – how > information is laid down in neurons (or elsewhere).- the very foundation of > how the brain works.**** > > **** > > Without that, it’s hard to see any neuron-based approach to AGI as other > than mad, no?**** > > **** > > In general, whenever s.o. talks of a “science-based” approach to AGI, it’s > b.s.**** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] **** > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:56 PM**** > > *To:* AGI <[email protected]> **** > > *Subject:* Re: [agi] LM741**** > > **** > > You said: I don't see how mastery of the neuron will help anyone towards > AGI. > > It's called reverse engineering. You have to start somewhere. It seems > obvious that the best places to start are with what are most readily > visible: either the top-level behavior, or the bottom-level components. I > prefer starting from the top, as do you apparently, but there's no reason > to assume they aren't working on exactly the same problem as us, regardless > of what you think of their egos. (Your argument that they must have huge > egos applies equally as well to everyone else on this list, including you > and me.) > > Numenta is a good example of how understanding neurons could lead to AGI > (and is therefore a relevant subject for AGI-related lists like this one), > even though they've got a long way to go and a lot of improvement to make. > > > > > **** > ------------------------------ > > On Aug 29, 2012 4:29 AM, Anastasios Tsiolakidis <[email protected]> > wrote: **** > > On 29/08/2012, at 10.52, Ian W Eberhart <[email protected]> wrote:*** > * > > **** > > Anastasios, I don't think you've actually said anything yet, **** > > **** > > A blessing in disguise! What I have said in the general sense, on and off > the list, is that I would like to see a tight AGI focus, ie if the answer > to a question is not seen as critical to AGI then we should keep it for > another forum. Specifically I don't see how mastery of the neuron will help > anyone towards AGI. The same could be said about LM741' unless someone is > seriously considering stringing together a few billion of them > > **** > > so it seems a little rough to accuse someone of egotism when all they are > trying to do **** > > **** > > Let's be clear about one thing, it takes a huge ego to work with anything > intelligence related. I scolded the fuck and other miscelania. And I do > have a pet peeve towards neurodudes and dudettes who tell me how amazingly > many things they know and prove, they can share their glories with all the > worlds autistic, dyslexic, blind, deaf, bipolar, Alzheimer's etc sufferers. > **** > > **** > > AT**** > > **** > > <http://www.listbox.com/>**** > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-bcb45fb4>| > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > **** > > <http://www.listbox.com/>**** > > ** ** > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5>| > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > **** > > <http://www.listbox.com/>**** > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-bcb45fb4>| > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > **** > > <http://www.listbox.com/>**** > > ** ** > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57>| > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > **** > > <http://www.listbox.com/>**** > > ** ** > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-bcb45fb4> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com/> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
