But you forgot to explain how an AGI program would know: What is a butler? What is an assassin? How are those two related? Why would anyone assume that a butler has something to do with an assassin? What is a the? What is a is? What is a the again? What is a he? (And knowing what a he is how does it become bound the the butler?) What is a... (Do I actually have to spell it all out for you?).
The logic of the problem that you gave is EXTREMELY simple and yes a lot of us were aware that in trying to find the answer to a problem one often has to collect more information. But the problem that currently confronts the development of AGI is that when you actually try to assign ALL the details to your story into a fine grained explanation of how a person is able to figure it out, it suddenly becomes MUCH much more complicated. When you add to that the recognition that there is a potential for lot of sources of ambiguity in the derivation of a conclusion for a real world problem and that an AGI program is going to be going on automatic without people spoon feeding it with explicit directions, the logic of a real world problem (or even a theatrical hack like this) becomes inexpressibly complicated. I certainly don't want to belabor what most of know is obvious, but I have noticed that you aren't a stickler for detail either. The skepticism that I have towards your claim (implicit or explicit) that you have it figured out is not that the theory is completely lame but that you seem to have no idea what it is that I have been trying to say. Do you get it now? Of course not, because, in your mind, you don't have to: You already have it all figured out. Sorry if I seem unpleasant, but this is my honest opinion. I am not exaggerating to make my point seem stronger than it is. Jim Bromer On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Sergio Pissanetzky <[email protected]>wrote: > AGI,**** > > ** ** > > I don't recall having explained granularity on this blog before. My > neglect has caused **** > > misunderstandings. So here it is. **** > > ** ** > > When we describe our world, we arbitrarily select the *granularity* of our > description. **** > > (A) "The buttler is the assasin. He was at the scene, and he has a > motive." **** > > That's a very coarse granularity, but it is already a causal set. **** > > Still, we can already take action. We can arrest the buttler and find more > facts. **** > > (B) "The crime took place at 7:30." **** > > (C) "The buttler left the scene at 7:29."**** > > And we can draw a conclusion: **** > > (D) "The buttler was not at the scene at the time of the crime. **** > > We have now a better description, a finer granularity. **** > > But what does it mean to "draw a conclusion?" **** > > It means to *bind* or *associate* B and C to generate D. **** > > This is a logical step, and requires a mathematical logic operating on the > causal set. **** > > The logic removes uncertainty from the causal set and creates structure. * > *** > > The set {B, C} is uncertain. We know B and C, but we ask "so what?" **** > > To reach D we have to remove the uncertainty. **** > > Removing uncertainty is easy for our brains. **** > > We don't even notice it happened because we are not aware of it happening. > **** > > It is unconscious, and our brains do it all the time. **** > > ** ** > > You the reader can continue the excercise. **** > > Every bit of information we acquire is followed by a "remove uncertainty" > step. **** > > Our brains are constantly removing uncertainty. **** > > AGI will never work unless we learn how to "remove uncertainty" on a > computer. **** > > No adaptive system will work unless we learn how to "remove uncertainty" > on a computer. **** > > Have courage, don't leave the uncertainty there. **** > > ** ** > > I must have tired everyone by saying entropy all the time. But entropy is > just a measure of uncertainty. If someone is 6 feet tall, I must use "feet" > to say that.**** > > ** ** > > Sergio**** > > ** ** > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10561250-164650b2> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
