On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM, David Clark <[email protected]>wrote:
> I couldn’t disagree with your argument more strenuously.**** > > ** ** > > Is DNA/RNA digital or can it be represented using a digital notation? > both. It's certainly not analog, since that would imply some kind of wave or continuous ambiguity, there are only 4 nucleotides, so it's a base 4 system, 4 discrete digits or digital. > **** > > ** ** > > I have developed code (including Assembler) and I have used next to no > Math in 37 years of full time work programming and developing software. > Arithmetic is used for even printing strings, as address counters have to be incremented. Quite likely you've also used for-loops which use increments. Though ya, it's not the fancy squiggle kinda of "Mathematics" universities like to hype up. > I believe that Computer Science is a Science on it’s own, where some parts > can be described by some Mathematics. If you want to create new > Mathematical concepts (and some people have) to describe CS, no problem, > but that doesn’t mean that CS is Mathematics. > Right, however that's a bit of a strawman, as I simply said that math was necessary for programming to work. By "math" I meant numbers and basic arithmetic. > **** > > ** ** > > By the way, I have a minor in Mathematics and a major in Computer Science > in my degree so I am not just saying this to aggravate anyone. > Sure, and perhaps that's why you feel there is a big difference, since mathematics in University much of which is theoretical really does have little to do with the kind used in average programming. > **** > > ** ** > > CS to me starts with how a computer works. That means defined steps where > there are branches and loops that can be interpreted by a physical > computer. How long something takes to compute or how efficient the > algorithm is very important to CS but has nothing to do with Mathematics. > measurement uses numbers, complexity uses exponents and logarithms. Last I checked those were all math concepts. > This point is just one of the very many examples I could give to back up > my claim that CS is not a branch of Mathematics. Math is used extensively > in Chemistry so is Chemistry a branch of Mathematics? > Whom is a branch of who is more of a political issue. Something that may be interesting to object oriented people perhaps. As more of a sentence-oriented person myself, I see programming as the baby of language and math. > **** > > ** ** > > Why equate numbers to Math? Some numbers are used in Math but numbers are > only one component of Math. My child could count his toes, so he was using > Math? > Oh certainly! counting is one of the first math skills. Lol, I guess your head is really far up in the clouds of Uni. But ya, as a parent it's something to keep track of and be proud of, congratulate and encourage your child, to improve their math. Counting toes and things is certainly a valuable math skill. Some people in this world can't even do that much, for instance the Piraha people of Brazil. **** > > ** ** > > David Clark**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Logan Streondj [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* December-30-12 2:20 PM > > *To:* AGI > *Subject:* Re: [agi] Why Logic & Maths Have Sweet FA to do with Real > world reasoning**** > > ** ** > > It's pretty obvious to anyone that done any assembly programming, > > that without math or at least numbers nothing would actually work. **** > > Everything is represented by numbers, text, images, sounds etc.**** > > DNA/RNA is of course also digital, has 4 letters (nucleotides), and 3 > letter words (codons), representing the 22 amino acids, from which all else > is assembled.**** > > Anyways, both Mike and Jim don't actually have AGI projects. **** > > There are some people that do, or at least have related-projects.**** > > So really Mike and Jim are students of AGI if anything. **** > > > Pattern recognition is certainly a big component of biological > intelligence, though of course it is not the only, as instinct and > hard-wiring is a significant component, especially in lower brains. **** > > The DNA/RNA requires the organelles to interpret them, or match them to > proper amino acids and assemble them together. **** > > Similarly the numbers no matter how patterned are only useful with the > hard wired interpretation of them into text, images, sound etc. **** > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
